Optimo was listed as PERFECT, what's this?

[Cane Rod Maker]

There was a bunch of used Optimo hats on e-Bay. I bought one on a second chance offer. The hat is listed as being "Perfect" here are some pictures of my issues.

BTW, the guy wanted to know nothing about this; he says that there was no staining in the hat when he sent it; is his comment to negative feedback left after not wanting to hear anything about this issue he says, no stain and Optimo said no stain. I could see if Optimo shipped the hat for him, then he could say such a thing. He also belittled me terribly in the buyer protection conversation between us and e-Bay.

So my question to you all is if something is listed as perfect does that exclude staining? Or does perfect mean just that PERFECT. This guy goes as far to tell me that the hat is in the condition of "off the shelve" He called me several things, a NUT, unstable, dangerous. Says I am trying to extort him..So....I open the door here for some dialogue, am I fargin nuts, crazy or what; I paid for perfect.... What is perfect? Maybe he is a Lounger and can now see the stain that does not exist.

Here is the perfect liner, see the rather large stain and then the dark blue one?

So what is perfect guys.......let me know so I don't ever be a dick again to a seller.

And then there is the minor issue of what might be pen ink???not 100% certain.

 

[Mobile Vulgus]

Yep

I'd have to agree. If someone says perfect to me I'd sort, kinda expect no stains. Not even a little one.

 

[Cane Rod Maker]

Thanks for the supportive comment

Thanks MV. I just need some re-assurance. Especially at 200+ dollars

I'd have to agree. If someone says perfect to me I'd sort, kinda expect no stains. Not even a little one.

 

[handlebar bart]

A $500-550 hat for $200. I'd say even with some minor stains that is a heck of a deal.

 

[Cane Rod Maker]

Question isn't about a deal

I understand 200 is a good price and I certainly agree. But the question Bart is about "Perfect". Tell the buyer what is wrong with a hat so there are no supprises. Thanks.

A $500-550 hat for $200. I'd say even with some minor stains that is a heck of a deal.

 

[Dinerman]

A $500-550 hat for $200. I'd say even with some minor stains that is a heck of a deal.

:arated:
looks like about one pass over with a hat sponge should be able to take care of that pinpoint on the felt.

 

[Cane Rod Maker]

Thanks I'll give that a try

I'll give that a try. I'm going to see if I can clean the liner as well. I had real good luck with a foul Stetson liner the other day using Shout Advanced Gel Stain remover. I'm just hung up on the word perfect.

:arated:
looks like about one pass over with a hat sponge should be able to take care of that pinpoint on the felt.

 

[randooch]

A $500-550 hat for $200. I'd say even with some minor stains that is a heck of a deal.

I think the seller should have acknowledged the minor stains, pointing out that they are the reason for the remarkable price.

 

[Tomasso]

The seller may suffer from poor vision........or he is unclear on the meaning of the word perfect..............or he's dodgy.....

 

[Packin' Heat]

I wouldn't complain, as something little like that wouldn't bother me at all. However, even though $200 was a deal for the hat, it still isn't chump change and I think you're fully justified if you wanna chew the seller out for misleading you, however slightly or unintentionally.

 

[cookie]

So what is happening all of sudden with a rash of Optimos on sale.....

 

[Pyramid Jones]

Well my AB I bought off of eBay seemed alright it has some stains larger than that on the liner but not to bad but I can understand if you paid 500 dollars for it then that is one thing but if it is like 50 you are getting just that considered perfect by one person may be terrible to another person but if you paid 500 for it definitely whine thats best because for 500 you should gt perfect.

 

[Cane Rod Maker]

That could be...

Probably dodgy, I can't see how one can say it isn't there or does not exist.

Some other good responses as well, thanks.

Don't get me wrong fellas, I like the hat, it fits well; I dig the color, just looking to get opinions on that subjective word "perfect."

So I see some guys have lee way for this discriptive word, that is good information.

Thanks:eusa_clap

The seller may suffer from poor vision........or he is unclear on the meaning of the word perfect..............or he's dodgy.....

 

[Blackthorn]

The seller may suffer from poor vision........or he is unclear on the meaning of the word perfect..............or he's dodgy.....

Yep, I had it narrowed down to those, also. :eusa_doh:

 

[Aureliano]

:arated:
looks like about one pass over with a hat sponge should be able to take care of that pinpoint on the felt.

:arated: What Dinerman said. Nothing's ever perfect. I my humble, pessimistic point of view.

 

[Mobile Vulgus]

Interesting

This thread reminds me why I always find language interesting. While some might think the word "perfect" is a sign that something is... well, perfect... others see the word perfect and to them it is saying, "eh, don't worry if there are some imperfections."

This is why nations can never agree on anything. After all, it all depends on what the definition of "is" is. Many people simply refuse to agree on even something as simple as the definition of a word.

 

[Boxytheboxed]

There is always the chance he simply didn't notice those stains

 

[scottyrocks]

Quite frankly, people that put things up for sale on ebay should never be trusted 100%. This seller's reaction says to me that he lied, and was called on it, and was too proud and/or embarrassed to admit it. The price was irrelevant. Good sellers point out the flaws on the items they are selling. Perfect is perfect - no flaws. Stains are not perfect.

 

[Crazy Legs]

My thoughts

I think it is all in the wording. "Perfect" to me means no flaws at all. If it was described as being almost perfect except for a few small stains or markings then that would be something else to consider. But perfect means ...perfect! Were there any pictures of either spots? If not then there was something trying to be hidden from any potential buyer.

 

[Mid-fogey]

Agree with...

...Crazy Legs. Perfect means flawless.

Note also that Dinerman only said that the flaws could probably be cleaned up, and didn't say the pefect wording about the hat was true.