Imuricecreamman
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Seems like a situation where a girl becomes exceedingly more desirable and attractive when she tells you that you can't have her
Pretty certain "lightweight" and "not chrome tanned" were words he did not want to hear. I can accept his disposition.
I respect that, actually. Literally nobody on this forum can tell chrome from veg tanned leather with any amount of certainty, so as a maker, I'd be a bit irked as well.
I am going to reach out to Stuart today, just to wrap my mind around the legend. I will update.
Here is my current J-100 homage for refernence.
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I know from experience that Stuart hates FW and Aero, so mentionning them to him doesn't really score any points in your favour.
After your exchange, he probably is convinced you are not going to like his jacket and decided he would rather not make the sale rather than having to deal with a client that wants a refund on a non refundable jacket.
Maybe try again in a month or two.
I have in the past asked for specific things, only to be told it was impossible and they would not do it, but then a month later it was suddenly possible and he acted like it was never a problem.
You have to catch him on a good day for certain things, Stuart works in mysterious ways sometimes...
As Red Devils says, might be worth calling him, he is very easy to talk to.
Stu's 3 oz "lighter" horsehide is very nice. I had a J100 in it!
I can't press the like button more than once!Seems like a situation where a girl becomes exceedingly more desirable and attractive when she tells you that you can't have her
Right or wrong, it sounds like Stuart has pegged you for a difficult customer and decided to pass. I had a similar experience myself a few years ago with a different maker and I have to admit it stung a bit.
I would suggest that you turn your attention in a different direction. See what Thedi and Johnson Leathers have to offer you. After all, this is supposed to be fun and the person making your jacket should be happy and eager to do so.
Stu's 3 oz "lighter" horsehide is very nice. I had a J100 in it!
Carlos!! LOL. You have his number!! Love it!!!!
I never intended to make anyone unhappy with my requests. Up until this point every single custom jacket maker I have talked to, or looked at online offered both forms of leather. I made the error of assuming everyone offered a variety of leathers.
Unless one wants raw veg tanned brown. No dye can turn a chrome tanned jacket into that color.I'm not saying you've intended to make anyone unhappy, it's just that not even Stu can be 100% sure what leather's what and he ain't about to bs you like many other makers who offer both options, having no clue about either. I've had bad experience with Stu but I know he stands 100% behind his product and doesn't want to offer you something that won't fulfill his guarantee.
He's right about us reading too much on line and making assumptions based on incomplete or downright faulty information, passed on by people who themselves don't understand what they're talking about, which is why he brushed you off, 'cause he'd rather not deal with people demanding a refund or whatever, just because their unrealistic expectations weren't fulfilled.
I am, of course, not saying you'd be a difficult customer or that you yourself have unrealistic expectations but a LOT of people do and I'm willing to bet he's had a fair share of dealing such customers. My point is, it's best not to be overly focused on trivialities such as what kind of tanning process the leather's been subjected to because it makes zero difference and Stu knows that. He just won't pretend to go along with this game just so he'd sell a jacket. Which I respect.
Unless one wants raw veg tanned brown. No dye can turn a chrome tanned jacket into that color.
I'm not saying you've intended to make anyone unhappy, it's just that not even Stu can be 100% sure what leather's what and he ain't about to bs you like many other makers who offer both options, having no clue about either. I've had bad experience with Stu but I know he stands 100% behind his product and doesn't want to offer you something that won't fulfill his guarantee.
He's right about us reading too much on line and making assumptions based on incomplete or downright faulty information, passed on by people who themselves don't understand what they're talking about, which is why he brushed you off, 'cause he'd rather not deal with people demanding a refund or whatever, just because their unrealistic expectations weren't fulfilled.
I am, of course, not saying you'd be a difficult customer or that you yourself have unrealistic expectations but a LOT of people do and I'm willing to bet he's had a fair share of dealing such customers. My point is, it's best not to be overly focused on trivialities such as what kind of tanning process the leather's been subjected to because it makes zero difference and Stu knows that. He just won't pretend to go along with this game just so he'd sell a jacket. Which I respect.
Take a look at Tenjin's jackets. Chrome tanned or combination tanned leather would not have colour like that. Raw hide is simply undyed.Hook me up with an example of the color you mean, please.
Take a look at Tenjin's jackets. Chrome tanned or combination tanned leather would not have colour like that. Raw hide is simply undyed.
https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/show-your-natural-leather.90836/
I always thought the combination dyed process was interesting.Take a look at Tenjin's jackets. Chrome tanned or combination tanned leather would not have colour like that. Raw hide is simply undyed.
Chrome tanning isn’t bad or worse than veg tan. You’d be surprised what gets passed on as veg tan these days. The only way to know for sure is burn a match stick sized of the leather and see what remains after burning. If there are salt like crystals in the ashes then it’s got some chrome. If you did this to some of the so called veg tanned leather you be surprised to find different results. Veg re tan over chrome is just a quicker and less expensive way for the tannery to get that brown core customer asks for, but it’s still chrome tanned. And is not bad!
Some of you may be implying that I can not tell the difference between chrome tan and veg tan, and I would say you are correct.
Here is what I SPECIFICALLY do not like about chrome tanned leather (or what I find as typical features of chrome tanned leather).
1. Depending on how it is done, it is stiff as a board. I don't want this.
2. I don't like painted leather, or pigment finish. I prefer dyed all they way through if I can get it. I realize many leathers are both dyed through AND pigment finish so it is not pigment or painted I have an issue with. I just don't like brown as a color, and therefore will avoid this if possible. Most chrome tanned leather I handle is brown or natural for the core.
I realize that there are probably veg tanned leathers that are stiff as a board, but I have not experienced that in my limited handling of jackets.
So if you offer me supple dyed through chrome tanned leather, I would be happy, but not as happy if there is a veg tanned option next to it with the same qualities. Could I tell the difference? NO, I expect I would not. But it is a lot easier for me when ordering a custom jacket to ask about their veg tan leather, than to get into a technical list of questions about their chrome tanned leather qualities so I can avoid what I know I do not like given an option.
Can I like a chrome tanned leather? Sure! Combination tanning has always intrigued me, for example, but I don't know what that is like in a jacket, and not commonly available I don't believe.
P.S. Before I get called out on my Freewheelers Rude Black jackets
1. I have no option of dyed through same color unless it is their deerskin leather, so I accept it as it is. At least it is not brown.
2. It probably follows their philosophy of wabi-sabi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabi
3. Vintage veg tanned jackets would have a brown core and painted *yawn*