New to the Vintage lifestyle, first meet up turned into a disaster

[V.C. Brunswick]

Those attending that particular "vintage get-together" ought to take their hoods off and maybe do some serious reading.

Assuming that they CAN read.

 

[Bamaboots]

Lisserbee, read your post with great interest and sadness to realize this type of behavior still exists. As one who grew up in the south during the 60's I saw too many examples of racism and bigotry, even from family members and to this day I still struggle to understand where the hate came from.

Much later in life, in my former profession I had the displeasure of having to provide security at KKK rallies on three separate occasions. These were events my co-workers and I would often describe as places where the women had more toes than teeth. To see a three year old marching in hood and robe alongside their parents was one of the more disturbing things I have ever seen and made it easy to see how the hate is perpetuated. Probably saw some of the nitwits you met. Hang in here and you'll meet good folks.

 

[Shangas]

Lisserbee - sincerely and deeply hurt for you. My God, when will this insanity and nonsense stop. I know it has gotten better, but that it goes on at all is demoralizing.

There will always be a few angry / ugly / horrible bigots out there in the world - freedom of speech is not always pretty or something that is always fun to listen to - but I keep hoping that the number will shrink to such a small number that incidents like you experienced will be incredibly rare.

As Sherlock Holmes said:

"There'll always be some lunatics about. It'd be a dull world without them".

Sadly, there will also always be some people around who think they know / are better than you, purely by race.

 

[F. J.]

How awful . . .

[...] I actually live in IL but most of the people here are transplants from the delta (I have deep roots in AR and TX myself and have never had an issue there even!). I live in an area where this type of behavior is not uncommon. It is truly a sad thing. In grocery lines, people cut in front of me and the customers and store managers don't see a problem, my fiancee and I have had people ask us to leave from stores and churches even! As a child in school kids would call me "half breed" and "devils Wh*** child" and throw rocks at me. [...]

:jaw: I live in Mississippi, where you’d think this sort of thing would be common, but I’ve never seen anything even close to it. It is utterly disgraceful for anyone to be treated like that.

[...] I have had people ask us to leave from [...] churches even! [...]

Apparently they didn’t very well understand “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” shakeshead

 

[AtomicEraTom]

That is absolutely bizarre. I've found in my personal travels that people in the vintage community are typically more open-minded and understanding than the masses. I think part of it comes from all the accusations that if you prefer the past, you must be an uneducated, bigoted, misogynist idiot who wants to bring back Jim Crow and take the vote away from women. Knowing people like this exist is perhaps where that impression has come from.

I understand that everyone is welcome to their opinion, but if that is their opinion, I suggest keeping it to themselves. That is the most simple form of manners in existence. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.

I am very sorry that anybody could treat another human being that poorly.

 

[Shangas]

I think it was Mark Twain that said: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth, and remove all doubt".

Which was certainly the situation in this case.

 

[Big J]

Holy cr*p!

I can't believe that OP! That's insane. It sounds like a gathering for people with mental illnesses (except that actually, that wouldn't be a fair comment, since mental illness is a serious issue that many people suffer from). I really cannot imagine a more bizarre group of people lacking manners even more than me!

They are playing 'make believe' that they live in the Golden Era, they don't actually live in the Golden Era, and however common those kind of sentiments may or may not have been in the Golden Era, they are not acceptable now under any circumstances.

With all due respect, you don't need them, good riddance, and welcome to here!

 

[Lisserbee]

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1941093&noquote=1Thank you LizzieMaine, my mother always encouraged me to "kill cruelty with kindness"! I do not understand these kind of people so I simply just hope one day they see the light.

 

[Shangas]

If they haven't by this stage, they never will. Best not to waste your time wondering about them. Just hand them a shovel big enough to dig their own graves faster.

 

[LizzieMaine]

If people like that have any value at all, it's to prove to the rest of us that the spirit of fascism still walks the earth, and we can still have a part in fighting it.

 

[Big J]

If people like that have any value at all, it's to prove to the rest of us that the spirit of fascism still walks the earth, and we can still have a part in fighting it.

+1
I second that sentiment.

 

[Shangas]

If people like that have any value at all, it's to prove to the rest of us that the spirit of fascism still walks the earth, and we can still have a part in fighting it.

Are we still storming Sword and Juno at 6:00am?

 

[winterland1]

Just when you think attitudes are changing it's sad to read something like this. I'm sure many here would like to know where this was. I don't even dress vintage but if it was in my area I would. I would make sure to bring someone that would rile them up for observation then give them a piece of my mind.

 

[St. Louis]

Sounds as though it happened in southern Illinois. Not to disrespect my many dear, kind, sane, and enlightened friends at Edwardsville and Carbondale, but when Lisserbee identified the location, I did wonder ... there's something about the migration of former slave-owners into the southern counties of Illinois and Indiana that, shall we say, left its mark, even though that occurred almost two hundred years ago.

Wait a minute -- wanted to add -- regarding an earlier post above: I am positive that you wouldn't find those attitudes in deep South states like Mississippi. Not at all. But somehow they do linger in places just beyond the border. I couldn't really speculate why.

 

[ChiTownScion]

Sounds as though it happened in southern Illinois. Not to disrespect my many dear, kind, sane, and enlightened friends at Edwardsville and Carbondale, but when Lisserbee identified the location, I did wonder ... there's something about the migration of former slave-owners into the southern counties of Illinois and Indiana that, shall we say, left its mark, even though that occurred almost two hundred years ago.

Well noted. People seldom stop to consider that Cairo ("KAY- row") Illinois lies further south than Richmond, Virginia. South of Effingham is definitely a different world from Chicago, or even Freeport or Rockford. Even Abe Lincoln recognized that: commissioning southern Illinois Democrats such as Logan and Pope as generals for their efforts in raising regiments for the Union cause in that area.

 

[LizzieMaine]

The midwest -- specifically Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and Michigan -- was the cradle of several of the racially-based "American fascist" movements during the Era. The Coughlinites and the Black Legion were the most noticeable, but the Silver Shirts and the German-American Bund also had a strong presence in these states. And, of course, in the twenties, the Klan pretty much ran the state of Indiana, and was very strong thruout the midwest.

The supporters of those movements didn't just disappear when the movements themselves broke up. The Horst Wessel Song may be over, but clearly the melody lingers on.

 

[Fading Fast]

The midwest -- specifically Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and Michigan -- was the cradle of several of the racially-based "American fascist" movements during the Era. The Coughlinites and the Black Legion were the most noticeable, but the Silver Shirts and the German-American Bund also had a strong presence in these states. And, of course, in the twenties, the Klan pretty much ran the state of Indiana, and was very strong thruout the midwest.

The supporters of those movements didn't just disappear when the movements themselves broke up. The Horst Wessel Song may be over, but clearly the melody lingers on.

If my childhood memory serves, there was a bit of a news storm when some nazi group wanted to march in Skokie Ill in the '70s. I remember my Dad hating that they wanted to do that but saying to me that freedom includes allowing idiots to do stupid things like this.

 

[LizzieMaine]

What made that incident especially vile was that Skokie, at that time, contained a very large population of Holocaust survivors. The Nazi group involved was an Illinois-based party drawn from the remnants of George Lincoln Rockwell's sixties-era organization.

 

[V.C. Brunswick]

What made that incident especially vile was that Skokie, at that time, contained a very large population of Holocaust survivors. The Nazi group involved was an Illinois-based party drawn from the remnants of George Lincoln Rockwell's sixties-era organization.

And what was really bizarre was the leader of the Nazi group was himself the son of Holocaust survivors.

 

[F. J.]

Hypocrisy . . .

And what was really bizarre was the leader of the Nazi group was himself the son of Holocaust survivors.

If they’re one thing, it’s hypocrites. There’s a distinct possibility that Herr Hitler himself could have been a quarter Jewish. His father was illegitimate and there is some question as to the father.

As for advancing the blonde-haired, blue-eyed race, have you seen the man? Brown and brown.