Made in America. Stayed in America.

[Heiko]

Schott had a short stint on a show on History Channel - I think it was "How It's Made". Similarly done, showing the 100 years of a family-run company. Is it glamorous? Maybe not. But I know my Grandpa who owned and worked every day of his life in a Seattle ship repair shop loved the work. Loved the grease, the dirt, the job, the people. This guy doesn't get it. I don't care. I do think there's a difference as I read the tech news every week on how BAD Chinese factories are. Similar to what we saw here, pre-union in the 1900's.The guy probably doesn't even own a leather jacket, or boots, or belt. That's my guess...

Your guess...like everything else you say, conjecture.

China is definitely not great, but 1900s? That's a joke. If your grandpa or father liked factory work, why can't Chinese like factory work and be good at it? Why do the Chinese factories have no souls, but the American tanneries are full of soul? I would not recommend working in a tannery for anyone---it is dirty and poor paying everywhere. And I think expanding from Tech news or whatever you read is a good idea. You don't even have a good sense of the history to be really discussing this.

Anyways, today most of the world's biggest ships are built in South Korea--you think they are in the 1900s too? They don't talk about South Korea is tech news?

 

[Feraud]

If you can quote some lines by me that are clearly mean spirited, I will stop posting in this thread entirely.

The burden is no longer on me to prove anything. Based on our private correspondence, the private messages and reported posts I've received from members, and public reaction to everyone you've annoyed I suggest the burden is on you.

As I've stated more than once, take the time for introspection and evaluate how you've come across. I can make you stop posting and disappear altogether. Will that feed into your personal history? A change in attitude is requested. Either make it on you own or we'll gladly refund your membership dues and part company.

 

[Heiko]

I apologize for my "controversial views". China is an awful place with awful factories. I love American factories because they are full of creativity, life, and economic activity.

Why won't America bomb Iran, and then go after those illegal Chinese factories next? American industrial might to the rescue!!

I'm kidding...I apologize if people are so upset, I don't think Chinese are destroying craftsmanship, but perhaps they are.

 

[hpalapdog]

I do see much more of the "buy your own" culture in the US than ever I have here, but I think that simply comes down to the fact that they still have a manufacturing industry of some significance, which we don't, niche products aside. (Are there any car assembly plants left in the UK? I keep thinking no, and then another one crops up on the news because it is about to close).

Actually, the UK is a net exporter of cars and engines. As well as car assembly by Honda, Nissan, Toyota, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Jaguar Land Rover, Mini, Vauxhall, Aston Martin, McLaren and smaller specialists there is large scale export of engines. Ford at Dagenham and Bridgend export 1.6 million engines a year to Ford plants elsewhere. All BMW four cylinder petrol engines are made at Hams Hall in Birmingham and shipped back to Germany. Add in the 50,000 people who work in motor sport and at Triumph motorcycles (60,000 bikes a year) and at the component makers and its a big industry.

The UK economy has always had large scale imports. Indeed the UK is Germany's biggest export market. In the first 9 months of 2012 some 153 billion euros worth. France was second, the US third and China fourth at 115 billion. Sounds alarming but over the same period the UK exported 136 billion euros worth to Germany.

 

[Maj.Nick Danger]

This sort of thread is the reason I seldom bother to post anything in any online forum.:eusa_doh:

 

[hpalapdog]

This sort of thread is the reason I seldom bother to post anything in any online forum.:eusa_doh:

Your post count suggests otherwise

 

[Fanch]

I believe that it is Tip O'Neill who said "All politics is local."

 

[IXL]

Good to have you on the forum again, Butte!

 

[fukigen]

Here's but one example of what I speak. http://vimeo.com/4814754

just great! if one does compare that with any chinese factory, I think he has sh... in the eyes!

I apologize for my "controversial views".

What you seems to not understand, is that we respect your point of view, every one has the right to have its own ideas. The problem, as Feraud said, is the manner.
The FL is place for friendly exchange (the reason why I applied on FL) and you may not realize that the way you write posts is perceived aggressive and unfriendly by almost everyone.
Or it is on purpose? then another story, and in this case ButteMT already showed you the way.

You seem to be outraged by me, you take affront to my posts. Well, you can easily have me dismissed by taking issue with argument rather than personality. Your boorish protests belie your age. Be cool daddy, I haven't read anything by you that isn't a meek complaint.

This is the perfect example of what I just wrote above.
This is totally unacceptable to address someone in this way, whether you like him/her or not. I think we all have education and know good manners.
Even my 7 years old son knows that he cannot talk to people like this!

This sort of thread is the reason I seldom bother to post anything in any online forum.:eusa_doh:

actually there were quite interesting posts, unfortunately the thread has a troll inside who is not able to refrain from being aggressive...

 

[Edward]

Hiko's been banned? Damn. I was hoping to run a book on how long that would take - missed the boat. Damn.

Actually, the UK is a net exporter of cars and engines. As well as car assembly by Honda, Nissan, Toyota, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Jaguar Land Rover, Mini, Vauxhall, Aston Martin, McLaren and smaller specialists there is large scale export of engines. Ford at Dagenham and Bridgend export 1.6 million engines a year to Ford plants elsewhere. All BMW four cylinder petrol engines are made at Hams Hall in Birmingham and shipped back to Germany. Add in the 50,000 people who work in motor sport and at Triumph motorcycles (60,000 bikes a year) and at the component makers and its a big industry.

Ah, yes! I'd forgotten about Triumph (I love their stuff, too). Interesting re the Ford plant etc... I was under the impression they were an assembly plant more designed to deal with a (relatively) localised market. Big fan of BMW for investing into the UK and keeping those jobs going.

The UK economy has always had large scale imports. Indeed the UK is Germany's biggest export market. In the first 9 months of 2012 some 153 billion euros worth. France was second, the US third and China fourth at 115 billion. Sounds alarming but over the same period the UK exported 136 billion euros worth to Germany.

Yeah, it's truly a global marketplace now. The one that really surprised me, actually, was when it came out that 50% of British exports go to Eire. I'd no idea it was that high. Shows how dependent neighbour companies can be on each other.

 

[Sloan1874]

It would appear Mr Heiko has been escorted from the building! Double brandies all round, I say. Cheers!

 

[fukigen]

Cheers! indeed!

back to topic...
about Schott, "behind the brand" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuG2dJ0h5oM
I just feel they like their job creating jackets and are proud about it.

definitely love Schott, remind me 10 years ago when I was riding with the perfecto... until my bike got stolen, another story...

 

[Maj.Nick Danger]

I think he has at least one other profile here though, dedicated trolls often have backups.

 

[ButteMT61]

I think he has at least one other profile here though, dedicated trolls often have backups.

Riddance of the good variety.I hope y'all didn't think that I was posting this "soul" is only to be found here in the good ol' USA - to the contrary - I know UK and German and Japanese to name but a few - have similar cultural ties to their manufacturing past. We see that evidence here all the time and the products they produce.I don't need to agree with or like people I discuss with, but in this case, the guy was only here to ruffle feathers. Nicely done Mod's.

 

[Fanch]

Boringly back on topic, I found Butte's link really interesting and look forward to visiting AE in NY later in the year to see the shoes for myself.

I'd love to see something similar for jacket making.

WDW when you visit NYC you must also visit the Alden store as well Allen Edmonds. For the most part you will note that A-E utilizes the 360 degree stitched welt, whereas Alden uses the more traditional method. Both represent the finest footwear that the US has to offer, although IMO the nod goes to Alden.

 

[hpalapdog]

Interesting re the Ford plant etc... I was under the impression they were an assembly plant more designed to deal with a (relatively) localised market.

You couldn't be more wrong. Read the second paragraph

http://www.ford.co.uk/FordFleet/NewsAndReviews/FordForBusiness/2012/July/Ford-Celebrates

As for Nissan, they made 460,000 cars in their Sunderland factory. The best selling Qashqai was designed at the Nissan European design HQ in London. It was engineered at their European technical centre in Cranfield. The cars are exported worldwide including to Japan. The point I'm trying to make is, it's a lazy assumption, often fostered in the media, to conclude Britain doesn't make anything ! If you get onto a wide body Airbus the wings are British and there is a good chance the engines are too.
In some sectors Britain is a major player. For example AV (films, TV, magazine formats, music) Britain is the second biggest exporter after the States. Heck even the two biggest film franchises in history are based here: Bond and Harry Potter !

 

[Heiko]

Riddance of the good variety.I hope y'all didn't think that I was posting this "soul" is only to be found here in the good ol' USA - to the contrary - I know UK and German and Japanese to name but a few - have similar cultural ties to their manufacturing past. We see that evidence here all the time and the products they produce.I don't need to agree with or like people I discuss with, but in this case, the guy was only here to ruffle feathers. Nicely done Mod's.

No such luck.

Your take on manufacturing is rather baffling. It isn't even well informed, truly. I think it is more of a case of reinterpreted nostalgia. It is significant that for all you said, you only had a video of a tannery to defend yourself.

Talk to real blue collar guys, working in a tannery isn't the height of creativity and craftsmanship. Some might say you need to look at things from a more empiric based standpoint.

 

[Heiko]

You couldn't be more wrong. Read the second paragraph

http://www.ford.co.uk/FordFleet/NewsAndReviews/FordForBusiness/2012/July/Ford-Celebrates

As for Nissan, they made 460,000 cars in their Sunderland factory. The best selling Qashqai was designed at the Nissan European design HQ in London. It was engineered at their European technical centre in Cranfield. The cars are exported worldwide including to Japan. The point I'm trying to make is, it's a lazy assumption, often fostered in the media, to conclude Britain doesn't make anything ! If you get onto a wide body Airbus the wings are British and there is a good chance the engines are too.
In some sectors Britain is a major player. For example AV (films, TV, magazine formats, music) Britain is the second biggest exporter after the States. Heck even the two biggest film franchises in history are based here: Bond and Harry Potter !

This is very true, which makes it all the more silly when people seem to get all bothered about the Chinese making all their socks or Swiss army knives. Also, the Chinese don't seem to lose their cool when foreign architecture firms design some of their most famous buildings.

The thing about Nissan though, the Qashqai--was the design team comprised of people from all over the globe?

 

[IXL]

Cheers! indeed!

back to topic...
about Schott, "behind the brand" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuG2dJ0h5oM
I just feel they like their job creating jackets and are proud about it.

definitely love Schott, remind me 10 years ago when I was riding with the perfecto... until my bike got stolen, another story...

Sorry about your bike.
Neat little video, thanks for linking it. I have a Schott Perfecto #118 that I bought to keep at our weekend place, where we have a couple of motorcycles stashed ( I can wear a "classic" jacket on a BMW R1200GS, right?). The trouble is that I haven't left it out there yet; I would hate to not have it around during the week. The situation can be rectified by the purchase of another Perfecto so I can keep one at each place.
My wife keeps asking why I haven't left it at the other place yet: She knows the answer, as well as the solution, and she blames all of you guys.....

 

[Sloan1874]

Riddance of the good variety.I hope y'all didn't think that I was posting this "soul" is only to be found here in the good ol' USA - to the contrary - I know UK and German and Japanese to name but a few - have similar cultural ties to their manufacturing past. We see that evidence here all the time and the products they produce.I don't need to agree with or like people I discuss with, but in this case, the guy was only here to ruffle feathers. Nicely done Mod's.

I think everyone knew what you meant, Butte. Some people need to seek the sort of help that the encyclopaedic knowledge of jackets and general attire that exists here can't supply.