Johann Hückel´s Söhne (pre 1940)

[fedorafiend]

Not new to the F'Lounge. Wide brim of 2-13/16". Very soft and slightly less firm(more floppy) than most velours. No retailer labeling that I can discover.

Robert,

it looks great on you, it never looked better. I am really happy you ended up with this wonderful hat and that it is with someone who can really appreciate it.

 

[cookie]

Hückel Flexible Melone

Interesting how they separated the words Czecho and Slovakia on the hat band. Almost an early indication of the future realization of the separation of the country into two individual countries.

 

[mayserwegener]

The naming went back and forth after WWI and Austrian rule ended. If you Google you will find some info but not sure about the accuracy.

 

[mayserwegener]

Has abbreviations next to each: E.S.(English Size) 6-7/8, cm.56, 4-1/2 P.R.(Punti?), 7 A.S.(American Size) although the 5 is more accurate.
Fairly generous for a 5.

I went back and checked some paper labels that have only Point (might not be?) and CM sizing and the CM size is always one less than expected assuming we are dealing with a Point (French) measurement.

Here is one with an external size label and the CM sizes match but not the French Point. In this case I would say the CM is most accurate.

I am pretty sure I brought this up before but I never looked further into it. I will see if I can find anything out.

 

[WineGuy]

Need help dating and identifying this Czech Huckel

I have not been able to find one single Huckel with the same liner or hat band, does anyone know anything about the Antilope model? The hat shop in Newark has been gone for decades so I have to guess the hat at least 30-40 years old. The felt is very soft and is a midnight blue/black in color, the band is of the same material. 2 1/4" brim and 5" crown at it's tallest. I'm cross posting a few other threads.

 

[mayserwegener]

I would say 1960s maybe early 1970s. J. Hückel´s Söhne was nationalized as TONAK after WWII. If you want to learn more you can check out the following link. The situation was complicated post WWII.

http://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/6-johann-hueckel%c2%b4s-soehne-hueckel-hutfabrik-weilheim/


The Antilope is a type of felt finish. I don't think this was a pre WWII JHS model name. By the way this thread is for pre TONAK JHS hats.

 

[WineGuy]

By the way this thread is for pre TONAK JHS hats.

Thanks for the quick response and info! Is there a post 1940 thread for Huckel? This was the only one I could find on TFL.

 

[mayserwegener]

I think there might be some TONAK threads. The problem is that you had two companies producing hats with the Hückel name after WWII. One of the JHS owners (the Hückel family were expelled from Czechoslovakia after WWII and JHS was nationalized as TONAK) setup Hückel Hutfabrik Weilheim, Germany and TONAK continued to also use the Hückel name outside of the German market. The old JHS hats are pretty easy to identify (see the hats in this thread) except for the transition period just after WWII. I classify JHS as a German - Austrian hat company because that is what they were up to the end of WWII.

 

[mayserwegener]

J. Hückel´s Söhne Standard Velour, probably 1930s (maybe older) but I think it was modified (sweatband and ribbon) at a later date.

 

[mayserwegener]

J. Hückel´s Söhne Flexible Melone, measured 57cm, pre WWII. Not mine but from a Czech source. Fantastic offset bow and black liner!

 

[mayserwegener]

J. Hückel´s Söhne Pin, very early 1900s or late 1800s.

 

[Garrett]

30's JHS Superior Seal Velour in a deep charcoal grey with green silk backbow

 

[splintercellsz]

:eusa_clap

Very nice color on that one, Garrett! That ribbon pops!

 

[mayserwegener]

Garrett, Rare find! The color and finish are fantastic! Also the ribbon / back bow. Not sure I have seen a Superior Seal Velour.

 

[Garrett]

The finish and quality on this velour far exceed the other Huckel hats i've touched. Thanks to Steve for urging me to make this purchase! Well worth it.

 

[alanfgag]

beautiful!

 

[mikespens]

Agree!

 

[Chepstow]

beautiful!

Agree!

Fantastic!

 

[mayserwegener]

J. Hückel´s Söhne Flexible, measures ~ 58cm, 155 grams, probably 1930s. This Melone is in excellent / seldom worn condition. Very unique liner color and sweatband.

 

[mikespens]

That is sweet Steve, congratulations on a great find.