How many new jackets do you have coming (and how many potential ones)?

[jonbuilder]

When was the last time you ordered something from a printed mail catalogue?
And the catalogue came with actual stamps. Actual stamps. Well done Langlitz.

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The catalogue does not mention horsehide prices. I notice a curent 1947 style Combia is $1,250. A couple of months back I purchased a green label Colombia in time capsule condition for $1,550 in horsehide. I do not know when Ross change the style of Colombia but the back of my green label does not have the long ducktail kidney support much cleaner styling

 

[jonbuilder]

howmany time we read vegtan leather is better, and green to the environment... what does it mean?
greener means it would be easier to decompose right? does it mean vegtan leather is short lived and will be rotting easier when left out to the environment... mean don't wear your vegtan leather jacket in the rain often, do it once or twice only to make it look good and creased but never more?

what does it mean when your leather patinas and get wrinkly and soft, is it a half rotting, the most robust vegtan wallet will turn dark and soft within 4 or 5 years if we carry it everyday does it means it is halfway gone? on the spot where it completely black and soft it feel like deteriorating mummy, will it completely rot within 10 years? will straight vegtan jackets that is suppesedly supperior will last for 25 years + will it make 50years?

green meaning the chemicals involed are less toxic to the environment

 

[Monitor]

I think it's actually the consumers themselves who 'demand' leathers from brandname tanneries like Badalassi Carlo, Horween or Shinki Hikaku.

I once met this guy who owned a dozen high end Japanese made jackets. All of them cost €2k+ new and were made out of Shinki Leather. When we had a discussion about different makers he told me how he once contacted Thedi Leathers to get a quotation on some jacket. He was told €1500, which he thought was too much money for the jacket. When I asked him why he said because it was 'only' Italian leather (horsehide). When we met a second time I showed him my hh Thedi and he was absolutely blown away by both the leather and the quality of construction. He had no idea Thedi jackets were that nice.

I'm sure that if Thedi would have used Shinki hides instead of Italian hh, he would have ordered the jacket right away after receiving the quotation.

Considering the aforementioned, I think when buying a jacket people (partially) base their buying decisions on the brandname of the leathers/tanneries in order to

1) compensate for their own lack of knowledge on leather quality and tanning methods

2) justify their significant outlay

3) because they see some particular brandname as a quality signifier

So sad to hear this and there are so many victims to this hype while in reality the best Shinki is at a level of mid-range Italian tanned leather from whatever tannery. But that's what you get from reading all that crap on Instagram and elsewhere.

 

[marker2037]

Hey @marker2037 did you ever receive your Thedi Atlas / Field Jacket style? If so, what are your thoughts? Any pics?

Sorry for the late reply! I was away from the forums since summer because it was so hot here I couldn’t even think of a jacket, let alone wear one.

Yes, I got mine back in May and I absolutely love it. Amazing leather, fit, craftsmanship, and materials. I highly recommend this jacket if you like the style. This is a Medium. I wear a 42R in most everything.

 

[red devil]

So sad to hear this and there are so many victims to this hype while in reality the best Shinki is at a level of mid-range Italian tanned leather from whatever tannery. But that's what you get from reading all that crap on Instagram and elsewhere.

It is the same with people who buy fashion brands and think these are the best made items. In their case they can impress the people they seek to impress I guess...

Edit: I should mention that some of the fashion branded items are actually well made, as @Monitor showed us recently. It really is a matter of looking for quality as opposed believing a brand name at face value

 

[JMax]

So sad to hear this and there are so many victims to this hype while in reality the best Shinki is at a level of mid-range Italian tanned leather from whatever tannery. But that's what you get from reading all that crap on Instagram and elsewhere.

Ha. I’m not kidding, the Halo monks were singing in my head while I read this post. Amazing.

 

[handymike]

Since the world switched gears from researched reporting to (cheap) blog posts and sponsored social media this is unfortunately very true.

I am happy to say that I like the Rutland Sheep of my LL. A nice weight for my Cali climate, but I would also like it if the name was “thicker black soft leather.”

 

[navetsea]

green meaning the chemicals involed are less toxic to the environment

and the product made from this less toxic/ easier to neutralize by nature tannin, I suppose would be easier to be reclaimed by nature too? wouldn't that make total sense.

if you wear a chrome tanned jacket that look exactly the day it was bought after a year that means it will last much longer than a vegtan jacket that already show a sign of aging the first time you wear it right? I don't hate vegtan jacket, I love the last two of mine, but I would be wary to wear them in heavy downpour. light drizzle is cool, as long as it only happen seldomly, if I commute by bike, and I wear my vegtan everyday between october to april here which is the wet season, I'm afraid I will ruin it after a year...

 

[TooManyHatsOnlyOneHead]

So, while I have been trying to cool off with the buying, couldn't resist picking this up for my better half. Not sure she's going to like the thicker leather feel, but hopefully it's on the softer side at least. Looks like a 70s or 80s Schott 141ish for women. Nice details and beautiful large talon zips. Worst case, I'll work out a deal with MrBlonde and maybe swap it for some gold he's trying to get out of Iraq

 

[ojaw]

howmany time we read vegtan leather is better, and green to the environment... what does it mean?

Aren’t people generally talking about the front end, ie tanning process, when they refer to the greener aspects of vegtan leather? That’s the impression I’ve gotten anyway, with the assumption that when the usable life of the piece is over, there will also be a relative decrease in pollution because of the materials (fewer nasty chemicals) that went into its production in the first place.

 

[handymike]

Chromium tanning was really toxic, so I think just about anything else would be "greener".

 

[Canuck Panda]

Edited: Bruce is retired. He is just working through his old stock. Still a great guy! Will report on the current Dyer leather when it gets here.

Two parts post: Langlitz and Walter Dyer

Langlitz
@jonbuilder I tried to order any padded Cascade. Horsehide was not my MO. I am only after the famous Cascade pattern. I am not sure about the Columbia tail design. But this is the current catalogue now. Please post your Langlitz!

I skipped the pants section.

And about Walter Dyer
I remember very clearly seeing a super thick leather and soft jacket here. And I was shocked how the leather looked and other members were kind to whisper the name "Walter Dyer". Somehow that word appeared on my mind after dinner last night. I don't know why. But I googled and found him and sent him an email about one of the Cafe racers. Bruce Dyer is still in business! And he was really great at bouncing email back and forth with me. I asked for size 42 which he doesn't have. And he is checking on the 44 size, by fitting it on a guy he knows that's same as my height and weight. Great guy! MADE IN USA $349. I am still shocked. Fingers crossed about sizing and current leather weight. Website pics are ho hum but if the jacket is anything close to the pics posted here it would be more than just fine.

 

[red devil]

What a find!

 

[Marc mndt]

May I chime in with this awesome WD (property of @Monitor )

 

[BlueSteel]

So sad to hear this and there are so many victims to this hype while in reality the best Shinki is at a level of mid-range Italian tanned leather from whatever tannery. But that's what you get from reading all that crap on Instagram and elsewhere.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man.

I am not terribly invested in this debate - I have one Shinki Himel Heron, which is a spectacular jacket and the leather is amazing. But I have many other non-Shinki jackets that I love too.

But clearly there is no "objective" accepted "reality" about these leather quality comparisons.

I mean...I know you have some beefs with certain jacket makers, but are you really saying that Himel, GW, and Greg Field are all part of a conspiracy to import Shinki leather and pawn it off on their misguided customers, knowing that it is inferior to mid-level Italian leather? Take Greg for example. He worked for years at Aero using non-Shinki leather. He starts his own bespoke brand and decides to go with Shinki. So are you saying he did that despite it being obvious that the material is inferior?

I'm not with you on this. Sorry.

 

[Mrfrown]

Sorry for the late reply! I was away from the forums since summer because it was so hot here I couldn’t even think of a jacket, let alone wear one.

Yes, I got mine back in May and I absolutely love it. Amazing leather, fit, craftsmanship, and materials. I highly recommend this jacket if you like the style. This is a Medium. I wear a 42R in most everything.

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Very nice! And a great fit for buying off the sale page.

 

[marker2037]

Very nice! And a great fit for buying off the sale page.

It honestly couldn't fit any better. It was exactly what I was looking for in that style of jacket with a bit more room than my more fitted crosszips.

 

[Mrfrown]

It honestly couldn't fit any better. It was exactly what I was looking for in that style of jacket with a bit more room than my more fitted crosszips.

Yeah too trim on a field jacket seems like it would look odd proportionally, especially with all those pockets.

Great style man!

 

[marker2037]

This is my design for my next Field Leathers halfbelt

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I see you're stealing my lining

j/k, this looks to be an amazing mockup. Which leather are you going with? After receiving the samples from Greg with my jacket I have to have something in the pony brown. It's fantastic. Then again, I am also contemplating a two-tone using the natural tochigi (if he still gets that) and possibly a navy blue.

 

[navetsea]

Aren’t people generally talking about the front end, ie tanning process, when they refer to the greener aspects of vegtan leather? That’s the impression I’ve gotten anyway, with the assumption that when the usable life of the piece is over, there will also be a relative decrease in pollution because of the materials (fewer nasty chemicals) that went into its production in the first place.

Yes, i understand but if a hide is treated with such nasty chemical nature couldnt deteriorate then i assume the leather end product would also last forever, when compared to a hide treated with natural green preservative, sure it would still be somewhat preserved, but i bet not as long.