help me figure out this hat (please)

[Midwest Boater]

is it a lords hat?

it molds like clay

the felt is a long haired

a tag i couldn't get a shot of says SFINGY $45

SFINGY is not a typo its on the reproduce tag also
maybe its an alpine.

if anyone wants more pics any angle or whatever let me know its to small and i plan to sell it, not knowing waht to call it is a handycap its 7 1/8 btw

 

[Bill Greene]

Appears to be a camel/mohair Borsalino. Nice hat.

 

[Lefty]

It's likely hare/rabbit felt, like almost all Borsos. That style is a pretty common late 60s/70s look with the narrow brim, "braided" band, and (it looks like) a robin hood-flanged brim - giving it that 3/4 of a bowl look.

sfinge = sphinx in Italian click

 

[carouselvic]

Lefty is spot on.

 

[Midwest Boater]

thanks lefty your the best, still i wonder what style to call it i know its not a homburg, is calling it a fedora stretching the definition ?
p.s. i had no idea borsalino wasn't beaver felt the more i post here the more i learn.

 

[tonyb]

My understanding is that a "lord's hat" is what I once called a homburg without an edge binding. Some person better versed on such matters (can't recall just who that was, right offa top o' my head) so informed me.

So, I don't think what you have there is a lord's hat. It looks like a nice lid, though. A fine example.

 

[Lefty]

thanks lefty your the best, still i wonder what style to call it i know its not a homburg, is calling it a fedora stretching the definition ?
p.s. i had no idea borsalino wasn't beaver felt the more i post here the more i learn.

There are beaver Borsos, mink Borsos, and blends, but most are rabbit. What you've got is very much a fedora.

 

[Midwest Boater]

great thanks again, ill be listing it as soon as i can figure out how to. its a waist for me to keep it. off topic is this borso rabbit ?

im not selling it but i value your opinion.

 

[cptjeff]

It's a blend of furs designed to sell at a $25 price point. It may have rabbit, hare and/or beaver in varying quantities.

And they're both fedoras, and both are what's known as a velor finish.

 

[Brad Bowers]

My understanding is that a "lord's hat" is what I once called a homburg without an edge binding. Some person better versed on such matters (can't recall just who that was, right offa top o' my head) so informed me.

I suspect that "lord's hat" is strictly a British term, and that we never called them that here in the U.S.A., seeing as how we don't have lords here. I'm not sure what we would have called them; perhaps just a homburg.

Brad

 

[mayserwegener]

My understanding is that a "lord's hat" is what I once called a homburg without an edge binding. Some person better versed on such matters (can't recall just who that was, right offa top o' my head) so informed me.

So, I don't think what you have there is a lord's hat. It looks like a nice lid, though. A fine example.

Homburgs (from Edward's time) usually didn't have edge binding.

 

[tonyb]

Homburgs (from Edward's time) usually didn't have edge binding.

So they were still called homburgs, then? Any idea when and where this "lord's hat" usage -- for a homburg style hat sans edge binding -- sprang up?

 

[tonyb]

I suspect that "lord's hat" is strictly a British term, and that we never called them that here in the U.S.A., seeing as how we don't have lords here.

Brad

So it appears you've never met my neighbor.

 

[Midwest Boater]

thanks so much gentlemen ill list the one as a fedora and the other ill keep. this site is so friendly and informative. my hats off to you all.

 

[mayserwegener]

So they were still called homburgs, then? Any idea when and where this "lord's hat" usage -- for a homburg style hat sans edge binding -- sprang up?

The Homburg goes back to 1882.

"According to a Wikipedia entry (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homburg_(Hut)) the Prince of Wales (later King Edward VII) commissioned Möckel Hatter of Bad Homburg on the 29th of August 1882 to make a Homburg hat for him. He was not the inventor, however. His German nephew Emperor Wilhelm II already wore one in green for hunting. Edward had an affection to like it and had one made in gray."

I believe this is a original Möckel Homburg from the Bad Homburg City museum collection.

Möckel was founded in 1806 Bad Homburg, Germany. A industrialized hat factory was started by Phillip Möckel in 1856.

A hat called Homburg
The Prince of Wales, who later became King Edward VII of England, and Konrad Adenauer, the first Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, have one thing in common: their love of the Homburg. The former created it, the latter then turned it into a fashionable hat in more recent times. During his visits to Homburg, the English Prince occasionally met his nephew, Kaiser Wilhelm II., who liked to wear a special hunting uniform, which comprised, amongst other things, a green hat with the brim rolled slightly inwards on one side. Edward, who had the reputation of being one of the best-dressed men at the close of the 19th century, decided to have the hat made in an elegant shade of grey – by the Homburg-based hat manufacturers Möckel, who were even awarded a patent for their “Homburg”. The new hat quickly took the world of men’s fashions by storm, surpassing the stiff top hat and bowler hat that had until then been the usual mode of attire. The lightweight, casually-elegant “Homburg” was representative of the new joy of living. Later on, the “Homburg” was also manufactured in blue and black, although Adenauer always preferred the original grey.

 

[tonyb]

Thanks, mayerswegener, for digging that up. Quite informative.

But, does anyone here happen to know more about this "lord's hat" thing, besides the consensus that Midwest Boater's fuzzy Borsalino fedora ain't one?

 

[Midwest Boater]

ok i got the first hat up on ebay, not as hard to do as i thought. i posted a link to it in the classifieds.http://www.thefedoralounge.com/forumdisplay.php?f=16
i set the price low so someone can put it to use instead of it wasting away on my hat-rack.