German & Austrian Hutmachers

[Chepstow]

Steve, I remind me on these photo. Both hats was shaped like an campaign hat.
Very nice Borsalino, a pity with the sweatband. The felt looks in good condition!

 

[mayserwegener]

Manfred, You are correct. I found a early 1980s newspaper behind the sweatband of the one I suspect to be a JHS. It's a shame they messed with the Borsalino sweatband because that is a very unique hat.

 

[Chepstow]

Indeed a unique hat, Steve. That thicker felt could be a qualita speciale, these felts are stiffer and thicker as superiore!

 

[mayserwegener]

After a closer look I confirmed the first one is a modified J. Hückel´s Söhne.

You can see the 1799 above 'Derby'. Also the label design is the same although purposely broke apart.

 

[mayserwegener]

Manfred, The Borsalino has a paper label but I am not sure I can get a photo of it without further damaging the sweatband. It's possible the felt was stiffened at a later time but it's a very heavy weight felt. Same with the modified JHS "? Derby" felt.

 

[Chepstow]

Steve, wow, yes, that is definately the same label! What is your guess about the sewn felt stripe.
With other words! Why was the stripe sewn!

 

[mayserwegener]

I guess they might have wanted to raise the crown or there was a problem they were trying to cover up. I believe the ribbon is from the same time period as the the felt strip modification. I am postive the original JHS hat including the sweatband are from at least the 1930s.

 

[mayserwegener]

A. Peschel Dinkelsbühl Velour Rex, probably late 1950s. This one has a giant 3 inch brim. Very thick but pliable (open crown) brown Velour finish.

 

[Chepstow]

Steve, again, very very impressive! I love all about that hat!

 

[mayserwegener]

Manfred, Thanks! I will have to watch out with the brim.

 

[Chepstow]

Indeed Steve, maybe, you looks so better.

How wide is the brim?

 

[mikespens]

Beautiful Steve, reminds me of a fur coat. That's one rich hat!

 

[mayserwegener]

Manfred, Good one!

Mike, I agree! Thanks!

 

[mayserwegener]

Homburg Hut, Die Neue Form, Der Wiener Hutmacher + Dermotta Wien Homburg

This cardboard stand is probably from the late 1940s early 1950s. It mentions the Homburg hat as a new style which is interesting. More like marketing an old style under an Anglo-American name.

 

[Chepstow]

Steve, great find that cardboard! Could be, that it pointed out, the slightly side pinch!

 

[mayserwegener]

Could be but side pinches were not unsual for this style hat. My guess is the term Homburg came in to use in Germany and Austria around this time period. I have never come across the term Homburg Hut in any of the pre WWII German or Austrian hat industry publications.

 

[Chepstow]

That is from wikipedia! google Translation!

The Homburg was originally manufactured in Bad Homburg hat factory, founded in 1806 by Ph. Moeckel. Phillip Möckel industrialized operation in 1856 and purchased a steam engine. The big breakthrough for the Homburg came with the visit of the British Crown Prince (later King Edward VII) on 29 August 1882 in Bad Homburg. Edward gave him as a spa guest here in his typical elegant gray when Hatter Moeckel in order. "Invented" he has not. Edward saw the hat for the first time with his nephew, Kaiser Wilhelm II, Homburg. Kaiser Wilhelm II wore the hat in a green variant as an accessory hunting uniform. The new design spread quickly and soon supplanted the cylinder and the melon.

In Britain, a similar shape of the hat popular in the 1930s to 1950s. The so-called "Anthony Eden" (after the politician who carried him often and style of the thirties was a model), however, had in contrast to the classical one unbordierten Homburg, straight cutting edge. Anthony Eden is also known as the "demi-Homburg" means [1], and was worn on formal occasions to Stresemann and black suit.

 

[mayserwegener]

Yes but as far as I know it wasn't called a Homburg Hut in Germany or Austria (1882 - 1945). The Homburg Hat name was used in America and I also believe in England because of where the hat style came from (ie. Homburg, Germany). The only case where I found Homburg Hats mentioned in a German hat publication of the early 20th Century was a Moeckel (of Homburg) advertsiment ("Real Homburg-Hats" not "Echter Homburg-Huete) that targeted the export market.

 

[randooch]

Marke Greif Homburg, late 1950's or early 1960's

 

[randooch]