IF there was a tear at the corner of the pocket, I overlooked it.@Carlos840 First of all I feel sorry for you to read this! I 100% believe you! I‘m confident that you will either get a compensation or the seller agrees that you return the jacket as this is a No-Go here!!
@warrior-poet I think this is the wrong forum for you as 99% of the members treat each other like friends and this by far is my favorite forum I‘ve joined in the last >10 years and is the only forum I‘m still an active member. I‘ve bought and sold so many jackets here in the last >5 years and have only made very good experience. With one exception (Lebowski) you can trust people here and it’s just nice to spend so much time with nice members here. I‘m confident that you will reconsider your inappropriate behavior/attitude towards @Carlos840 and will offer him an acceptable offer as a compensation!
Cheers,
Robbie
I have tried to outline the situation up-thread, so there's not much point in restating the details. I can only say that I was honestly unaware of the damage Carlos840 describes, and as he himself stated, "if i don't pull on the pocket the leather lays perfectly flat and hides the damage 100%." I did inform him that I was not the original owner, and that I had only worn the jacket a few times, as it is too large for me. That's the truth of it. When he received the jacket, he said, "Great jacket, thanks a lot. It's a bit tight on me, but it works, not that I am going to have many opportunities to wear it with the weather around here. I can't believe how rigid and thick that skeepskin is, i havenever experienced similar sheepskin, it feels tougher than horsehide!" No mention of any damage or that "It is a clearly pretty hevily worn jacket," or that he was disappointed in the jacket in any way. Look at the photos--(they were taken for the listing) I'd be happy to provide more. The jacket is in exceptionally good nick and has obviously been worn very little.@Carlos840 First of all I feel sorry for you to read this! I 100% believe you! I‘m confident that you will either get a compensation or the seller agrees that you return the jacket as this is a No-Go here!!
@warrior-poet I think this is the wrong forum for you as 99% of the members treat each other like friends and this by far is my favorite forum I‘ve joined in the last >10 years and is the only forum I‘m still an active member. I‘ve bought and sold so many jackets here in the last >5 years and have only made very good experience. With one exception (Lebowski) you can trust people here and it’s just nice to spend so much time with nice members here. I‘m confident that you will reconsider your inappropriate behavior/attitude towards @Carlos840 and will offer him an acceptable offer as a compensation!
Cheers,
Robbie
Ok, thanks for your explanations and I hope that you didn’t notice it when shipping the jacket. I‘m sure you‘ll find a way (or already found a way). I just wanted to point out that TFL has an excellent image and reputation of the lounger is very good which has to be maintained for safe buying and selling in the futureIF there was a tear at the corner of the pocket, I overlooked it.
I have tried to outline the situation up-thread, so there's not much point in restating the details. I can only say that I was honestly unaware of the damage Carlos840 describes, and as he himself stated, "if i don't pull on the pocket the leather lays perfectly flat and hides the damage 100%." I did inform him that I was not the original owner, and that I had only worn the jacket a few times, as it is too large for me. That's the truth of it. When he received the jacket, he said, "Great jacket, thanks a lot. It's a bit tight on me, but it works, not that I am going to have many opportunities to wear it with the weather around here. I can't believe how rigid and thick that skeepskin is, i havenever experienced similar sheepskin, it feels tougher than horsehide!" No mention of any damage or that "It is a clearly pretty hevily worn jacket," or that he was disappointed in the jacket in any way. Look at the photos--(they were taken for the listing) I'd be happy to provide more. The jacket is in exceptionally good nick and has obviously been worn very little.
Later, when he contacted me about the pocket issue, I apologized. He did not ask for a return or any kind of compensation. I went through some of my files on original B-3s and noted that the pocket corner was problematic on the originals as well. I sent him photos of an original with a period repair at that spot and offered to contribute to help offset the cost of a repair (it would be a minor job for any competent tailor). He refused. I will of course be happy to give him a refund if he returns the jacket.
IF there was a tear at the corner of the pocket, I overlooked it.
I have tried to outline the situation up-thread, so there's not much point in restating the details. I can only say that I was honestly unaware of the damage Carlos840 describes, and as he himself stated, "if i don't pull on the pocket the leather lays perfectly flat and hides the damage 100%." I did inform him that I was not the original owner, and that I had only worn the jacket a few times, as it is too large for me. That's the truth of it. When he received the jacket, he said, "Great jacket, thanks a lot. It's a bit tight on me, but it works, not that I am going to have many opportunities to wear it with the weather around here. I can't believe how rigid and thick that skeepskin is, i havenever experienced similar sheepskin, it feels tougher than horsehide!" No mention of any damage or that "It is a clearly pretty hevily worn jacket," or that he was disappointed in the jacket in any way. Look at the photos--(they were taken for the listing) I'd be happy to provide more. The jacket is in exceptionally good nick and has obviously been worn very little.
Later, when he contacted me about the pocket issue, I apologized. He did not ask for a return or any kind of compensation. I went through some of my files on original B-3s and noted that the pocket corner was problematic on the originals as well. I sent him photos of an original with a period repair at that spot and offered to contribute to help offset the cost of a repair (it would be a minor job for any competent tailor). He refused. I will of course be happy to give him a refund if he returns the jacket.
The first message i sent you was after having a quick glance at the jacket when i unboxed it.
I only noticed the signs of wear and the damage later that same day when i got to properly look at the jacket and fully inspect it.
When i mentioned the problem you offered me 35$ which is nothing, you then stopped all communication saying "you are mistaken" as your final message untill i went public.
I would be happy to return the jacket if you are happy to refund me purchase price + shipping and to pay for return shipping.
So you bought a used jacket for half off retail, the seller missed a problem with the stitching (one you acknowledged was quite difficult to notice) and you expect him to eat hundreds of dollars in shipping? I think we’ve all been a little spoiled by Amazon, honestly. Most high end makers don’t even cover shipping for repairs (see the Fine Creek Leather debacle over on Styleforum).
Have you even tried getting a quote for repair?
Where do you see a problem with the stitching? I see a tear in the leather of a jacket that was supposed to be in superb condition.So you bought a used jacket for half off retail, the seller missed a problem with the stitching (one you acknowledged was quite difficult to notice) and you expect him to eat hundreds of dollars in shipping?
Where do you see a problem with the stitching? I see a tear in the leather.
Sorry, no. When I have the jacket in hand, I'll promptly post $900 to your PayPal acct. You had to pay for the jacket before I shipped it (as is customary), and I shipped it the day your payment was received and then followed up with an email providing early tracking info.So, to try to settle this matter, if i accept your offer of a refund of the jacket + return shipping, how do we proceed?
I am not ready to ship the jacket back before i have the money back on my paypal as i have no way of knowing you won't disappear with both money and jacket.
Are you happy to refund me 900$ via paypal before i ship the jacket back? i would post the shipping proof + tracking on here so that TFL can be an impartial observer.
My face is known here, i would not risk destroying my reputation just to keep a damaged jacket.
Sorry, no. When I have the jacket in hand, I'll promptly post $900 to your PayPal acct. You had to pay for the jacket before I shipped it (as is customary), and I shipped it the day your payment was received and then followed up with an email providing early tracking info.
With another member expressing an interest and asking you to PM them would it be worth speaking with them and seeing if a price can be agreed with the seller refunding you any difference ? Save on the hassle and high cost if returning the jacket. Obviously everyone would need to show a level of faith but it may be the best option for everyone. The seller takes a small loss and the jacket goes to someone who is interested. ? Just an idea.I trusted you to describe the jacket correctly and here we are, you are now asking me to trust you again, with the possibility of losing money and jacket...
You are now technically buying the jacket back, why is it a problem for you to pay first the other way around?
With another member expressing an interest and asking you to PM them would it be worth speaking with them and seeing if a price can be agreed with the seller refunding you any difference ? Save on the hassle and high cost if returning the jacket. Obviously everyone would need to show a level of faith but it may be the best option for everyone. The seller takes a small loss and the jacket goes to someone who is interested. ? Just an idea.