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French Hats and makers.
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Wolfgang, Sorry I missed your post and this fantastic find. As Stefan mentioned I haven't seen one with such dimensions.
Side Note: Wolfgang is my friend from Salzburg. He made this super accurate translation of this very important article on Echter / Real Velour.
Hair Velour / Real (Echter) Velour / Prime (Prima) Velour Fabrikation von Damen- und Herren- Filzhüten, Der Deustchen Hutmacher Zeitung (1933)
Hair Velour / Real (Echter) Velour / Prime (Prima) Velour By C.A.P. Pellaio (English Translation By ErWeSa (Wolfgang)) Fabrikation von Damen- und Herren- Filzhüten, Der Deustchen Hutmacher Zeitung (1933) "What is wool?" - "The hair of a sheep." "What’s a sheep?" - "A sheep? An animal,of course." ...
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Wayne, Good see your post! I am sorry about the size but at least it's in good hands.
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Stefan, Amazing finds! I kick myself for not securing such historical finds. Size shouldn't matter in such cases.Not strictly a bowler, but I wouldn't know what else to call it. It was part of the two hat deal and it was the one that caught my eye. In style it resembles as Cambridge bowler, but to keep it French let's call it a Melon Sorbonne (which isn't a thing, but has a nice ring to it).
Mouroux & Cauzeret chapeau melon. Size 55 with the brim at 5cm and the crown at 13cm. Corded and with a clasped bow set halfway between a side bow and a backbow. Two gromets on either side and a cord of unknown function. I think this a very early style and the hat certainly shows its age with the felt won down to the shellac on most of the brim and either mothing or wear has done a number on the front of the crown as well. Can't wear it but I still like it.
Thank you, Steve. I admit I don't always do, but my curiosity got the better of me and the price was right.
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Thibet by Jean Bourrel Manufacture De Chapeaux:
Specs:
Specs:
| Crown | 6" (open) |
| Brim | 2-1/2" with 5/8" binding underside |
| Ribbon | 2" |
| Weight | 140g |
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That is a thing of beauty. It exemplifies everything I like about vintage hats.
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Beauuutiful!
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Wayne, Fantastic! Amazing color and form. The finish looks Seal Velour like! I am thinking it might be older.
Absolutely wonderful, Wayne. Congrats!
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Thank you gents, I'm definitely pleased with the proportions and quality...and the price 
Thanks Steve, it's pretty close to my Huckels (the hairs on the Flechet velour is just a tiny bit shorter). I'll defer to learned french hat experts, I just thought the label weren't as old as some of the ones I've seen though those were 20/30s one from memory.
Thanks Steve, it's pretty close to my Huckels (the hairs on the Flechet velour is just a tiny bit shorter). I'll defer to learned french hat experts, I just thought the label weren't as old as some of the ones I've seen though those were 20/30s one from memory.
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Wayne, I think you could be correct. Maybe someone will chime in.Thank you gents, I'm definitely pleased with the proportions and quality...and the price
Thanks Steve, it's pretty close to my Huckels (the hairs on the Flechet velour is just a tiny bit shorter). I'll defer to learned french hat experts, I just thought the label weren't as old as some of the ones I've seen though those were 20/30s one from memory.
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That's a beautiful hat, Wayne. Good to see you around by the way. I think you're in the right spot with your estimate. Fléchet used the B. Fléchet in various forms on their hats for a good while. Difficult to say when they finnaly dropped the B, but it is somewhat later I think.
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I decided to post this here. This is Robert's (RLK) fantastic NOS French Velour find of December 2011. I believe it was only posted in the "Post New Hats Here" thread.
RLK - Robert Dec. 28, 2011
9 Chapeaux NOS Peluche
All are 56 or larger and genuinely unused or owned. From Marseilles.
The Silver/Gray are 2 @56/4-1/2.
Blacks are 57,59 and 2@60
Brown are 2 @ 59
1 Beige @57
All but the 2 60/6-1/2 have Fléchet labels, the others seem to be the same bodies but different labels. From Bodin.
They came direct from Marseilles. I am very excited and relieved. There were still more, but in tiny sizes and not cheap enough to speculate that I could find them homes.
Sample interior view:
RLK - Robert Dec. 29, 2011
Marron(Chestnut) Fléchet Velour
RLK - Robert Dec. 30, 2011
Antonin France? black Austrian Velour
Steve will be happy to learn that this one has an Austrian body. The two 6-1/2's have different liners and sweats but the same size tags with AF--the other says FRANCE on the tip. The felt is a little different although all the hats are about the same style and weight.
RLK - Robert Dec. 28, 2011
9 Chapeaux NOS Peluche
All are 56 or larger and genuinely unused or owned. From Marseilles.
The Silver/Gray are 2 @56/4-1/2.
Blacks are 57,59 and 2@60
Brown are 2 @ 59
1 Beige @57
All but the 2 60/6-1/2 have Fléchet labels, the others seem to be the same bodies but different labels. From Bodin.
They came direct from Marseilles. I am very excited and relieved. There were still more, but in tiny sizes and not cheap enough to speculate that I could find them homes.
Sample interior view:
RLK - Robert Dec. 29, 2011
Marron(Chestnut) Fléchet Velour
RLK - Robert Dec. 30, 2011
Antonin France? black Austrian Velour
Steve will be happy to learn that this one has an Austrian body. The two 6-1/2's have different liners and sweats but the same size tags with AF--the other says FRANCE on the tip. The felt is a little different although all the hats are about the same style and weight.
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Continued.
Its about 60% sewn in. The liner and the top edge of the ribbon are basted in place for original shipping/stacking. This one had the liner folded over a bit and the rear of the ribbon pushed down a little. They could use a steam fluff but are not dusty or otherwise damaged. They probably spent decades stacked in the original boxes.
France Velour
The other 6-1/2 without a liner. This one had its own paper cover and was on top so is even more undisturbed.
These have about 6" open crowns and brims just over 2-1/4" and quite a bit of curve to the flanging.
Chameau(Camel) Fléchet Velour
This beauty is a little unkempt from being inside another hat, but one of my favorites.
Heron Fléchet Velour
One of two different liner/sweatband styles on some of these hats. Also could benefit from some salon time.
Its about 60% sewn in. The liner and the top edge of the ribbon are basted in place for original shipping/stacking. This one had the liner folded over a bit and the rear of the ribbon pushed down a little. They could use a steam fluff but are not dusty or otherwise damaged. They probably spent decades stacked in the original boxes.
France Velour
The other 6-1/2 without a liner. This one had its own paper cover and was on top so is even more undisturbed.
These have about 6" open crowns and brims just over 2-1/4" and quite a bit of curve to the flanging.
The ribbon is smoother and tighter and the velour is fluffier as it hasn't been as compressed. The others would be similar with a brushing and careful steam. This photo is fresh from the wrapper without any work(other than soft center crease).
Chameau(Camel) Fléchet Velour
This beauty is a little unkempt from being inside another hat, but one of my favorites.
Heron Fléchet Velour
One of two different liner/sweatband styles on some of these hats. Also could benefit from some salon time.
Thanks for saving these, Steve. Robert's collection always had me in awe. These are no exception. Magnificent.Continued.
Its about 60% sewn in. The liner and the top edge of the ribbon are basted in place for original shipping/stacking. This one had the liner folded over a bit and the rear of the ribbon pushed down a little. They could use a steam fluff but are not dusty or otherwise damaged. They probably spent decades stacked in the original boxes.
France Velour
The other 6-1/2 without a liner. This one had its own paper cover and was on top so is even more undisturbed.
These have about 6" open crowns and brims just over 2-1/4" and quite a bit of curve to the flanging.
The ribbon is smoother and tighter and the velour is fluffier as it hasn't been as compressed. The others would be similar with a brushing and careful steam. This photo is fresh from the wrapper without any work(other than soft center crease).
Chameau(Camel) Fléchet Velour
This beauty is a little unkempt from being inside another hat, but one of my favorites.
Heron Fléchet Velour
One of two different liner/sweatband styles on some of these hats. Also could benefit from some salon time.
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Stefan, Thank you! I thought they might have been posted in this thread but I couldn't find them. Robert has some other great finds that are only posted in "Post New Hats Here" thread.
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