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French Hats and makers.

moehawk

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Looks like they were still in business as of 1978. The following are translated snippets because the entire documents are not available.

Bulletin officiel des annonces civiles et commerciales - Part 1 - Page 42 - 1978 (Google Translate)

BARROUX (Fernand), French. Retail sale of headgear, sign and denomination: CHAPEAUX MAXIME, in Tours, 109, rue des Halles. Secondary establishment located in Tours, 5, rue des Halles, under the banner and the denomination of ...

Bulletin officiel des annonces commerciales - Part 2 - Page 30 - 1975 (Google Translate)

This company sets up a branch, as of April 2, 1975, in Joué-lès-Tours, industrial zone No. 2, 11 and 13, rue de Prory .... Hats Maxime, Tours, 33, avenue de Grammont, Funds received under management lease, with respect to 1975, of BARROUX (Fernand), RC 59-A 1819 747 - RC 75-A 166. ... Hat shop (retail trade), with the Maxime Hats Tours, 109, rue des Halles.

From a Post Card Collector (Google Translate)

TOURS (37) - "MAXIME HATS, old Chrétien-Goullet House, BARROUX 109 rue des Halles" - 2 ADVERTISING CARDS - Drawings of 2 humorous chart cards from the 1907 Carnaval "Char de l'Armée" Already the new taxes (tax on the umbrellas, tax on the foot baths, tax on the CORS ...)

You still see the Initial Pins used today (vintage/antique and new) in Europe. Some shops have old stock. The ones on the hat look like an older type but difficult to use for dating. My guess is still 1950s maybe older.
Cool info! It apparently is at least old enough for the thread on the sweat to rot...but again no real accuracy there.
The relayed oral history from a French flea-marketeer (bastions of trustability as far as I know :)) does have a certain romantic quality to it.
Regardless, it will be worn often. Including today!
And, as always, thanks for the deeper research.
 

splintercellsz

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c. 1920s or older

Delmas & Pont Wool Hat

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More info:

Justin, Great finds! As I mentioned (based on the D.P. on the paper label) I think this one is from Delmas & Pont, Quillan (Aude) that made Merino Wool Hats.

Their advertisement is in the lower right corner (from Revue De La Chapellerie (1912) ). You can click on the photos to expand.

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Page 849, Guide - Addresses De La Chapellerie, Chapeaux De Feutre/Felt (Laine/Wool)

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Quillan l'atelier d'appropriage de l'usine Delmas et Pont en 1900

History of Hat Companies in Quillan including Delmas & Pont (you can translate with Google)

http://www.cartes-postales-quillan.fr/page5a-h.htm

Appears the D. & P. factory was destroyed by fire in 1936.

http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2014/01/26/1803539-quillan-une-page-d-histoire-est-tournee.html

http://www.belcaire-pyrenees.com/ar...te-vallee-de-l-aude-2eme-partie-57343454.html

http://www.collection-cartespostale...elier-d-appropriage-usine-delmas-et-pont.html

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Quillan (Aude)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quillan
 

Daniele Tanto

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I found this hat by chance, while wandering in the French market.
It's a Jea Pellie from the 30's or 40's.
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For once I expose myself to dating a hat because I have two other very similar and come straight from those years
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They are wool or a mixed felt, lighter in the crown and heavier in the brim
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They are unlined and have a patch with the logo in the crown, the size indication in front and some stamps of the sweatband
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This was sold in Orleans, but it came to my hands directly from the store.
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Jean Pellie - Esperaza "Isofeutre"
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Black woll felt "Isofeutre" as stated on the sweatband. It is very soft in the crown and thicker in the brim
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You can crease as you like, there are blank stitches on the tape ribbon
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The dimensions are the following. Height of crown open 14 cm., Breadth width 6.5 cm and ribbon height 2 cm
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The measure is the French 7 which equals a European 61 centimeter and a 7 5/8 US
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The shape of Jean Pellie is unequivocally those in vogue in the late thirties and the other French hats I have similar, but are more dated to the 40s.
 
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I found this hat by chance, while wandering in the French market.
It's a Jea Pellie from the 30's or 40's.
20t3wqf.jpg

For once I expose myself to dating a hat because I have two other very similar and come straight from those years
2mq2q6v.jpg

They are wool or a mixed felt, lighter in the crown and heavier in the brim
j8lisw.jpg

They are unlined and have a patch with the logo in the crown, the size indication in front and some stamps of the sweatband
qzjkid.jpg

This was sold in Orleans, but it came to my hands directly from the store.
2igytra.jpg

Jean Pellie - Esperaza "Isofeutre"
312vcwm.jpg

Black woll felt "Isofeutre" as stated on the sweatband. It is very soft in the crown and thicker in the brim
16j3dir.jpg

You can crease as you like, there are blank stitches on the tape ribbon
rwl3sp.jpg

The dimensions are the following. Height of crown open 14 cm., Breadth width 6.5 cm and ribbon height 2 cm
x55oi8.jpg

The measure is the French 7 which equals a European 61 centimeter and a 7 5/8 US
330tixz.jpg

The shape of Jean Pellie is unequivocally those in vogue in the late thirties and the other French hats I have similar, but are more dated to the 40s.
Very beautiful Daniele, and a real find in NOS condition.
 
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I found this hat by chance, while wandering in the French market.
It's a Jea Pellie from the 30's or 40's.
20t3wqf.jpg


For once I expose myself to dating a hat because I have two other very similar and come straight from those years
2mq2q6v.jpg

They are wool or a mixed felt, lighter in the crown and heavier in the brim
j8lisw.jpg

They are unlined and have a patch with the logo in the crown, the size indication in front and some stamps of the sweatband
qzjkid.jpg

This was sold in Orleans, but it came to my hands directly from the store.
2igytra.jpg

Jean Pellie - Esperaza "Isofeutre"
312vcwm.jpg

Black woll felt "Isofeutre" as stated on the sweatband. It is very soft in the crown and thicker in the brim
16j3dir.jpg

You can crease as you like, there are blank stitches on the tape ribbon
rwl3sp.jpg

The dimensions are the following. Height of crown open 14 cm., Breadth width 6.5 cm and ribbon height 2 cm
x55oi8.jpg

The measure is the French 7 which equals a European 61 centimeter and a 7 5/8 US
330tixz.jpg

The shape of Jean Pellie is unequivocally those in vogue in the late thirties and the other French hats I have similar, but are more dated to the 40s.
Daniele, Again great find! Enjoying the additional photos. It's also a large size which makes it even more rare. Congrats!
 
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I found this hat by chance, while wandering in the French market.
It's a Jea Pellie from the 30's or 40's.
20t3wqf.jpg

For once I expose myself to dating a hat because I have two other very similar and come straight from those years
2mq2q6v.jpg

They are wool or a mixed felt, lighter in the crown and heavier in the brim
j8lisw.jpg

They are unlined and have a patch with the logo in the crown, the size indication in front and some stamps of the sweatband
qzjkid.jpg

This was sold in Orleans, but it came to my hands directly from the store.
2igytra.jpg

Jean Pellie - Esperaza "Isofeutre"
312vcwm.jpg

Black woll felt "Isofeutre" as stated on the sweatband. It is very soft in the crown and thicker in the brim
16j3dir.jpg

You can crease as you like, there are blank stitches on the tape ribbon
rwl3sp.jpg

The dimensions are the following. Height of crown open 14 cm., Breadth width 6.5 cm and ribbon height 2 cm
x55oi8.jpg

The measure is the French 7 which equals a European 61 centimeter and a 7 5/8 US
330tixz.jpg

The shape of Jean Pellie is unequivocally those in vogue in the late thirties and the other French hats I have similar, but are more dated to the 40s.
Lovely to see a really old hat like this in its original state (and with the basting stitches still on the ribbon!). Great find, Daniele.
 

moehawk

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Hey all!
I found this Mossant on Etsy. Liked the color, and I have wanted a Mossant soft felt for a while now. The measurements sounded close enough so I took a chance on it. It took only 3 days to arrive from France. I've had stuff take twice that to get here from SoCal.
The hat turned out to be a bit of a project. The leather is in decent shape, but the thread holding reed to felt looked good initially, but gave way when I went to size it up. Ended up disassembling it and sizing up the felt and sweat seperately. Once I had it apart, I saw that the fabric reed tape was fragile, so I reinforced it by gluing a piece of grosgrain around it to keep it from further damage during the reassembly.
I gave the body a naptha bath. A large amount of grode came out, so I gave it a second soak. A bit of sanding to get rid of an old crease line, and ready to put back together. I would have had it done last week, but I took a chunk out of the tip of my index finger and had to wait till last night before I could hold a needle.
Anyway, the result. Color is actually a deep grey/green.

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A thick overwelt.

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A good tag shot after the naptha bath.

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Still a little hint of the glue where a crown tip protector once was.

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Sweat stamps

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Head shot. This one just doesn't feel like it's meant to be snapped down. I could be wrong.

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Brim 2 3/8", crown a scant 5", 100g. The felt is really nice and soft, dry creases well. No idea of the age, hopefully someone will know more than I.
Now I want another Mossant!
Updare: just looked up the color name. Orage = thunderstorm. Fits.
Powered by happy thoughts
 
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Bob Roberts

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Hey all!
I found this Mossant on Etsy. Liked the color, and I have wanted a Mossant soft felt for a while now. The measurements sounded close enough so I took a chance on it. It took only 3 days to arrive from France. I've had stuff take twice that to get here from SoCal.
The hat turned out to be a bit of a project. The leather is in decent shape, but the thread holding reed to felt looked good initially, but gave way when I went to size it up. Ended up disassembling it and sizing up the felt and sweat seperately. Once I had it apart, I saw that the fabric reed tape was fragile, so I reinforced it by gluing a piece of grosgrain around it to keep it from further damage during the reassembly.
I gave the body a naptha bath. A large amount of grode came out, so I gave it a second soak. A bit of sanding to get rid of an old crease line, and ready to put back together. I would have had it done last week, but I took a chunk out of the tip of my index finger and had to wait till last night before I could hold a needle.
Anyway, the result. Color is actually a deep green.

360809437b4b0f452047a73ee70c97c0.jpg
74c84eed4b60dd1084db500445d6c026.jpg
dd7a2d4d35e0c07469dde0f8b2e10848.jpg


A thick overwelt.

d1d7ef15a94050bc1e978750c0c7b6cd.jpg


A good tag shot after the naptha bath.

d47a365d4cdabffe3f5b96e51f49dadc.jpg


Still a little hint of the glue where a crown tip protector once was.

77c09c683492375b5a761f1e4d813d0d.jpg


Sweat stamps

c17a9914c8689c88f002af8f6f26edc2.jpg
edcf8f9e43a8c2b33b38ebd36b0d9d01.jpg


Head shot. This one just doesn't feel like it's meant to be snapped down. I could be wrong.

ca45760bebac1bf69469f8c021e551d0.jpg


Brim 2 3/8", crown a scant 5", 100g. The felt is really nice and soft, dry creases well. No idea of the age, hopefully someone will know more than I.
Now I want another Mossant!

Powered by happy thoughts
Beauty. Good work. The brim tells you what it wants. Please listen. ;)
 

Richard Morgan

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Hey all!
I found this Mossant on Etsy. Liked the color, and I have wanted a Mossant soft felt for a while now. The measurements sounded close enough so I took a chance on it. It took only 3 days to arrive from France. I've had stuff take twice that to get here from SoCal.
The hat turned out to be a bit of a project. The leather is in decent shape, but the thread holding reed to felt looked good initially, but gave way when I went to size it up. Ended up disassembling it and sizing up the felt and sweat seperately. Once I had it apart, I saw that the fabric reed tape was fragile, so I reinforced it by gluing a piece of grosgrain around it to keep it from further damage during the reassembly.
I gave the body a naptha bath. A large amount of grode came out, so I gave it a second soak. A bit of sanding to get rid of an old crease line, and ready to put back together. I would have had it done last week, but I took a chunk out of the tip of my index finger and had to wait till last night before I could hold a needle.
Anyway, the result. Color is actually a deep green.

360809437b4b0f452047a73ee70c97c0.jpg
74c84eed4b60dd1084db500445d6c026.jpg
dd7a2d4d35e0c07469dde0f8b2e10848.jpg


A thick overwelt.

d1d7ef15a94050bc1e978750c0c7b6cd.jpg


A good tag shot after the naptha bath.

d47a365d4cdabffe3f5b96e51f49dadc.jpg


Still a little hint of the glue where a crown tip protector once was.

77c09c683492375b5a761f1e4d813d0d.jpg


Sweat stamps

c17a9914c8689c88f002af8f6f26edc2.jpg
edcf8f9e43a8c2b33b38ebd36b0d9d01.jpg


Head shot. This one just doesn't feel like it's meant to be snapped down. I could be wrong.

ca45760bebac1bf69469f8c021e551d0.jpg


Brim 2 3/8", crown a scant 5", 100g. The felt is really nice and soft, dry creases well. No idea of the age, hopefully someone will know more than I.
Now I want another Mossant!

Powered by happy thoughts
Very well done John. When you restitched the sweat did you stitch through the felt or stitch the sweat to the reed tape?
 

AbbaDatDeHat

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Hey all!
I found this Mossant on Etsy. Liked the color, and I have wanted a Mossant soft felt for a while now. The measurements sounded close enough so I took a chance on it. It took only 3 days to arrive from France. I've had stuff take twice that to get here from SoCal.
The hat turned out to be a bit of a project. The leather is in decent shape, but the thread holding reed to felt looked good initially, but gave way when I went to size it up. Ended up disassembling it and sizing up the felt and sweat seperately. Once I had it apart, I saw that the fabric reed tape was fragile, so I reinforced it by gluing a piece of grosgrain around it to keep it from further damage during the reassembly.
I gave the body a naptha bath. A large amount of grode came out, so I gave it a second soak. A bit of sanding to get rid of an old crease line, and ready to put back together. I would have had it done last week, but I took a chunk out of the tip of my index finger and had to wait till last night before I could hold a needle.
Anyway, the result. Color is actually a deep grey/green.

360809437b4b0f452047a73ee70c97c0.jpg
74c84eed4b60dd1084db500445d6c026.jpg
dd7a2d4d35e0c07469dde0f8b2e10848.jpg


A thick overwelt.

d1d7ef15a94050bc1e978750c0c7b6cd.jpg


A good tag shot after the naptha bath.

d47a365d4cdabffe3f5b96e51f49dadc.jpg


Still a little hint of the glue where a crown tip protector once was.

77c09c683492375b5a761f1e4d813d0d.jpg


Sweat stamps

c17a9914c8689c88f002af8f6f26edc2.jpg
edcf8f9e43a8c2b33b38ebd36b0d9d01.jpg


Head shot. This one just doesn't feel like it's meant to be snapped down. I could be wrong.

ca45760bebac1bf69469f8c021e551d0.jpg


Brim 2 3/8", crown a scant 5", 100g. The felt is really nice and soft, dry creases well. No idea of the age, hopefully someone will know more than I.
Now I want another Mossant!
Updare: just looked up the color name. Orage = thunderstorm. Fits.
Powered by happy thoughts
Hello Sir: Great hat. Excellent re-do! Looks new! Love the ribbon bow and welt. I think you are right, the over-welt yearns an upturned brim. Very nice. Be well. Bowen
 
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Hey all!
I found this Mossant on Etsy. Liked the color, and I have wanted a Mossant soft felt for a while now. The measurements sounded close enough so I took a chance on it. It took only 3 days to arrive from France. I've had stuff take twice that to get here from SoCal.
The hat turned out to be a bit of a project. The leather is in decent shape, but the thread holding reed to felt looked good initially, but gave way when I went to size it up. Ended up disassembling it and sizing up the felt and sweat seperately. Once I had it apart, I saw that the fabric reed tape was fragile, so I reinforced it by gluing a piece of grosgrain around it to keep it from further damage during the reassembly.
I gave the body a naptha bath. A large amount of grode came out, so I gave it a second soak. A bit of sanding to get rid of an old crease line, and ready to put back together. I would have had it done last week, but I took a chunk out of the tip of my index finger and had to wait till last night before I could hold a needle.
Anyway, the result. Color is actually a deep grey/green.

360809437b4b0f452047a73ee70c97c0.jpg
74c84eed4b60dd1084db500445d6c026.jpg
dd7a2d4d35e0c07469dde0f8b2e10848.jpg


A thick overwelt.

d1d7ef15a94050bc1e978750c0c7b6cd.jpg


A good tag shot after the naptha bath.

d47a365d4cdabffe3f5b96e51f49dadc.jpg


Still a little hint of the glue where a crown tip protector once was.

77c09c683492375b5a761f1e4d813d0d.jpg


Sweat stamps

c17a9914c8689c88f002af8f6f26edc2.jpg
edcf8f9e43a8c2b33b38ebd36b0d9d01.jpg


Head shot. This one just doesn't feel like it's meant to be snapped down. I could be wrong.

ca45760bebac1bf69469f8c021e551d0.jpg


Brim 2 3/8", crown a scant 5", 100g. The felt is really nice and soft, dry creases well. No idea of the age, hopefully someone will know more than I.
Now I want another Mossant!
Updare: just looked up the color name. Orage = thunderstorm. Fits.
Powered by happy thoughts
Truly excellent job, John. That hat looks like new. Still can't get my head around why they are so rare over here. I've never seen one in the flesh so to speak.
 

moehawk

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Truly excellent job, John. That hat looks like new. Still can't get my head around why they are so rare over here. I've never seen one in the flesh so to speak.
I think that the rarity stems from the fact that the secret ingredient in their felt blend is frog fur*, and it is then pounced with hen's teeth.


*Frog reference not intended as a slur to the French.
 

OldStrummer

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It was suggested I post here with some pictures. Last week I started out by thinking I should wear a hat. Oh, I've been wearing running and baseball caps for years, but the time (and season) has come to put a real hat on my head. I've learned a lot in a week, but there's still so much to learn. Nevertheless, I've taken the plunge and will soon have three -- maybe four -- hats to my name.

The first one to arrive I found on Etsy. It's a 1980s Flechet grey velous fedora, size 7-1/4. It's roughly 4-3/4" to the crown, and the brim is approximately 1-3/4". The band is black cord with a feather.

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