Finds and Deals - Leather Jacket Edition

[jeo]

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and stars, makes me think this is the second edition as percussor to the Red lined 3rd edition which all have stars.

is there a picture of the interior/label?

A collector told me that the one I pictured with no snaps on the top collar is the first edition of the early Durables. Unfortunately no pics of the interior or label of that one.

It does have stars. Zoom in.

Note how the belt gets slimmer towards the front kind of like a Beck 333. None of the other ones are like that.

There are early editions without stars like this one below. Has the snaps on top collar and a green quilt lining. First label.

The early ones all have a green quilt lining and the same first edition label. The one below with a (most likley replaced) black quilt lining has stars.

Then there's this one. Doesn't have zipper welts. Has the snaps on the top collar and has the green quilt lining with the first label. Does not have stars. The snaps are all pitted except for one which is super neat.

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[Aloysius]

A collector told me that the one I pictured with no snaps on the top collar is the first edition of the early Durables. Unfortunately no pics of the interior or label of that one.

It does have stars. Zoom in.

Note how the belt gets slimmer towards the front kind of like a Beck 333. None of the other ones are like that.

There are early editions without stars like this one below. Has the snaps on top collar and a red quilt lining. First label.

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The early ones all have either a red or black quilt lining and the same first edition label. These ones below with the black quilt linings all have stars.



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Then there's this one. Doesn't have zipper welts. Only one I've ever seen like that. Has the snaps on the top collar and has the red quilt lining with the first label. Does not have stars. The snaps are all pitted except for one which is super neat.



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This last one is remarkably similar to the late 40s Indian Ranger in its cut, trim and details including the oversized collar. The patch pocket looks more like the late 50s model.

 

[Observe]

A collector told me that the one I pictured with no snaps on the top collar is the first edition of the early Durables. Unfortunately no pics of the interior or label of that one.

It does have stars. Zoom in.

Note how the belt gets slimmer towards the front kind of like a Beck 333. None of the other ones are like that.

There are early editions without stars like this one below. Has the snaps on top collar and a red quilt lining. First label.

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The early ones all have either a red or black quilt lining and the same first edition label. These ones below with the black quilt linings all have stars.



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Then there's this one. Doesn't have zipper welts. Only one I've ever seen like that. Has the snaps on the top collar and has the red quilt lining with the first label. Does not have stars. The snaps are all pitted except for one which is super neat.



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I love the look of this with the waistband panel on the bottom.

 

[jeo]

This last one is remarkably similar to the late 40s Indian Ranger in its cut, trim and details including the oversized collar. The patch pocket looks more like the late 50s model.

Indeed, the collar and most notably not having zipper welts.

 

[JMax]

Vanson

https://merc.li/qQ7RPNqKb?sv=0

Edit: Bit less on Grailed.

 

[tmitchell59]

Indeed, the collar and most notably not having zipper welts.

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I see no similarities.

I would say this is the first edition. Green lining first no stars, geen lining with stars, then black with stars, then red with stars. Along the line the belt line was discontinued.

Makes more sense to me that the model would start as basic (plain) no stars and add the adornments (stars) as the model progressed.

Not sure how to account for the missing upper snaps

 

[tmitchell59]

These 2 look like Durables, feel like Durables

 

[Aloysius]

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I'm curious about when the flap pocket snap got moved to the middle of the flap.

 

[tmitchell59]

I would say the black lining above is not original. No wear, too puffy, on a well worn jacket. Now that makes sense.

Until an original black lining appears I'm crossing the Black off. Went from the green to the Red in my thinking.

The non welted pockets on the green lined jacket are odd.

Are there pictures of another black lined Durable?

I doubt the green lining lasted long. Mine has a 40s zipper stop and a 50s pull. This is often seen. I just call it 1950. The Red Nylon came around by 1951 and it was the thing among many makers. Just says 50s no matter the maker.

I have a pet theory that I'm wrestling with, based on the two jackets I pictured above.

 

[jeo]

I see no similarities.

The similarities were just in the spread collar and lack of zipper welt details, otherwise the jackets look nothing alike.

I would say this is the first edition. Green lining first no stars, geen lining with stars, then black with stars, then red with stars. Along the line the belt line was discontinued.

Makes more sense to me that the model would start as basic (plain) no stars and add the adornments (stars) as the model progressed.

Definitely makes sense.

Not sure how to account for the missing upper snaps

I bet the jacket without the upper collar snaps had a green lining and who knows, maybe the stars were added. If so, that would make it even more basic.

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The one instantly recognizable thing about a Durable is the bottom collar that has more of a downward angle than most other ‘W’ collars creating a bigger gap between the upper and lower collar. If Durable has a trademark, that's it and to me these Spiegels look nothing like a Durable.

I would say the black lining above is not original. No wear, too puffy, on a well worn jacket. Now that makes sense.

You're right, it probably was a replacement and I've edited my post above.

Until an original black lining appears I'm crossing the Black off. Went from the green to the Red in my thinking. Are there pictures of another black lined Durable?

Not with a label and what are likely replacement liners just like the first one I posted like this one below.

The non welted pockets on the green lined jacket are odd.

I found two others. This first one has what looks to be a replacement liner and also has pitted snaps.

I have a pet theory that I'm wrestling with, based on the two jackets I pictured above.

Would love to hear it.

Perhaps Durable was private label?

I found a Japanese collector that has all types of Durable style MC jackets but with other labels in them, some stores, some manufacturers. Most of the pictures in my recent posts are from his collection.

Knopf

Donald S. Lavigne

Johnny Farrel Sportswear Davega

South Fashion C (something) Stores

Genuine American Leather Sportswear by American Sportswear Co.

There was also a sheepskin with a Durable label

 

[tmitchell59]

The similarities were just in the spread collar and lack of zipper welt details, otherwise the jackets look nothing alike.



Definitely makes sense.



I bet the jacket without the upper collar snaps had a green lining and who knows, maybe the stars were added. If so, that would make it even more basic.



The one instantly recognizable thing about a Durable is the bottom collar that has more of a downward angle than most other ‘W’ collars creating a bigger gap between the upper and lower collar. If Durable has a trademark, that's it and to me these Spiegels look nothing like a Durable.



You're right, it probably was a replacement and I've edited my post above.



Not with a label and what are likely replacement liners just like the first one I posted like this one below.


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I found two others. This first one has what looks to be a replacement liner and also has pitted snaps.


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Would love to hear it.

Perhaps Durable was private label?

I found a Japanese collector that has all types of Durable style MC jackets but with other labels in them, some stores, some manufacturers. Most of the pictures in my recent posts are from his collection.

Knopf

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Donald S. Lavigne

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Johnny Farrel Sportswear Davega

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South Fashion C (something) Stores

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Genuine American Leather Sportswear by American Sportswear Co.

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There was also a sheepskin with a Durable label

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Fascinating, much to digest. thanks for this effort!!

 

[Will Zach]

Fascinating, much to digest. thanks for this effort!!

Great discussion full of information that should be memorialized in the thread "threads of the past" or a dedicated Durable thread, should @Peacoat move those @tmitchell59 and @jeo posts?

 

[Peacoat]

Great discussion full of information that should be memorialized in the thread "threads of the past" or a dedicated Durable thread, should @Peacoat move those @tmitchell59 and @jeo posts?

I like the idea of a dedicated Durable thread, but I don't like the amount of time it would take to move all of those posts into that thread.. Let me think about it.

 

[JMax]

WD Large, low opening bid

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2957180070...CJi9omFSVa&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

 

[jeo]

Great discussion full of information that should be memorialized in the thread "threads of the past" or a dedicated Durable thread, should @Peacoat move those @tmitchell59 and @jeo posts?

I like the idea of a dedicated Durable thread, but I don't like the amount of time it would take to move all of those posts into that thread.. Let me think about it.

I’ll duplicate my two posts in the Durable thread quoting @tmitchell59 for context.

 

[jadub]

Find and deal I’d say.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2957401991...D0RmqDUQSq&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

 

[handymike]

Sears Leather Shop sz38

https://www.ebay.com/itm/314628409478

 

[AHP91]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/3747314350...mJgRnpCivLfDtHr6p88erDGw==|tkp:Bk9SR9a6ytSRYg

 

[tmitchell59]

Very large size Deerskin in traditional half belt style. Cheap, but looks very nice.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/295742281080?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=N8cC9RE9Qt2&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=qwq2X50PT7y&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

 

[tmitchell59]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1757593591...uid=qwq2X50PT7y&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY