Field Leathers

[Canuck Panda]

You have a valid point but I know in my case a mock up jacket in cloth could have avoided the jacket remakes I have asked for over the last few years from Thedi, Langlitz (twice), and Good Wear. In all four cases the jackets were too tight and this would have been obvious to me had they made any kind of fit jacket to try first.
I do see the limitations though, insofar as a cloth fit jacket will not tell you whether or not the same thing in leather is going to be comfortable to wear and something that you will want to throw on day after day.

I agree on determining the overall sizing, using an existing jacket or mock up or lining. Every maker pattern is slightly different and sizing is slightly different. Listed measurements don't always tell the whole story.
Two stock jackets in stock sizings would still beat one fit jacket though. Like trying on different sizings at the store but at home.

 

[Canuck Panda]

Are you talking about the black x-zip halfbelt from Instagram (The sales page seems to be empty in the meantime)? I think that already has the new pattern?
I had also briefly considered, but hem and abdomen are 4 cm too wide and I'm afraid the sleeves 2 cm too short.

Yup that's the one. I bet this is just a size up from what I had but with different design. And it will work. The numbers don't always tell the whole story.

I too got side tracked with the shoulder/sleeve hole before. But I honestly think this is just a sizing problem now. It's the same as Aero, stock sizing are not as forgiving as the more relaxed American ones. Nothing "wrong" with that. In suits there is the US cut, the French cut and so many different Italian cuts and UK cuts.

 

[marker2037]

Time to move this discussion to the original thread.

Seriously? Postures? My postures changes so many times through out the day I just can't keep tracking them.

What's next?

I will wait to get my sale page jacket and post something that is actually useful.

Are you complaining about someone actually trying to help you/everyone understand how a fit or pattern might be wrong for you?

I have an idea: instead of trying to pick off sale page jackets with stock sizes (or non-stock and just returns of jackets that didn't fit the original buyer), why don't you actually invest time to know what your ideal measurement range is and have Greg build you something that is within the specs you want?

You keep reiterating "his patterns are off", "his scaling is bad", "he's basing on Japanese patterns not made for Western bodies", yet scroll through this thread and you'll see plenty of jackets that fit extremely well.

 

[Damon141]

Seriously? Postures? My postures changes so many times through out the day I just can't keep tracking them.

What's next?

I will wait to get my sale page jacket and post something that is actually useful.

Maybe a wrong choice of words, Probably less about posture and more about sleeve attachment.
In a lot of pictures on various websites that show inflated jackets they look like they are doing a zombie walk, arms straight out, maybe thinking you are always on the handle bars but when you are not it and your arms are at your sides then the chest gets tight and material bunches at the back.

I am with you on the vinyl mock up. Probably cost nearly the same but will act more like stiff leather to show any inconsistencies.

 

[Damon141]

I ordered mine directly at the shop, I tried on a sample and they took notes of any adjustement needed. They are - or at least were - an MTO company, so you can change the measurements.

This is mine

That really looks great. I’ve been looking at their instagram all morning. Really unique color combinations.

 

[Canuck Panda]

Time to move this discussion to the original thread.


Are you complaining about someone actually trying to help you/everyone understand how a fit or pattern might be wrong for you?

I have an idea: instead of trying to pick off sale page jackets with stock sizes (or non-stock and just returns of jackets that didn't fit the original buyer), why don't you actually invest time to know what your ideal measurement range is and have Greg build you something that is within the specs you want?

You keep reiterating "his patterns are off", "his scaling is bad", "he's basing on Japanese patterns not made for Western bodies", yet scroll through this thread and you'll see plenty of jackets that fit extremely well.

Yes you are absolutely right that I am complaining! Kicking Screaming Bitching and Whining.

You've got a good Field Leather Manhattan off the first shot. That's great. I didn't. Are you so sure of your system or Marc's system or anyone's system that you would put your money on it? Until then, I can only do what is best for me, with my own money. I am not asking you to agree what I am saying, hope that will make things better.

FWIW, I send the same measurements to all different makers. I get different results. It's been quite a few different makers, no two are alike, no two jackets from the same makers are alike.

And please do not put your words in my mouth. I didn't do that to you and hope you don't do it to me. You can quote my exact words, but not what you think I said. I will leave it at that now.

 

[Canuck Panda]

Maybe a wrong choice of words, Probably less about posture and more about sleeve attachment.
In a lot of pictures on various websites that show inflated jackets they look like they are doing a zombie walk, arms straight out, maybe thinking you are always on the handle bars but when you are not it and your arms are at your sides then the chest gets tight and material bunches at the back.

I am with you on the vinyl mock up. Probably cost nearly the same but will act more like stiff leather to show any inconsistencies.

OR actual size charts like this:

preferably with waist and hem and back measurements.

Also it's most accurate to give nape measurements vs shoulder/sleeve length measurements. I have 18" shoulders with 26" sleeves that fits the same as 20" shoulder with 25.5" sleeves. Everyone measures slightly differently, the less variable we take out the equation, the more accurate things can be.

 

[Damon141]

OR actual size charts like this:
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preferably with waist and hem and back measurements.

Also it's most accurate to give nape measurements vs shoulder/sleeve length measurements. I have 18" shoulders with 26" sleeves that fits the same as 20" shoulder with 25.5" sleeves. Everyone measures slightly differently, the less variable we take out the equation, the more accurate things can be.

That would save him a great amount of time.
I would start with a 42 in that chart and add 4 inches to the chest.
I believe in the long run he will develop something like this because many of jackets are truly almost skin tight which must be very difficult to try to accommodate not only body measurements but close fitting sleeves.

@canuck. Can you possibly post or send me a picture of you in the 18” shoulder jacket and one in the 20” shoulder jacket?
For my knowledge I just want to see how they get away with that difference.

 

[Carlos840]

Seriously? Postures? My postures changes so many times through out the day I just can't keep tracking them.

What's next?

I will wait to get my sale page jacket and post something that is actually useful.

Singular, "posture", and not everyone has the same...

 

[Will Zach]

I am with you on the vinyl mock up. Probably cost nearly the same but will act more like stiff leather to show any inconsistencies.

https://www.naugahyde.com/

 

[Damon141]

https://www.naugahyde.com/

That’s the good stuff though that is slowly replacing the leather industry with Vegan leather. Most leather seated cars and couches have been using this on areas you don’t typically touch like the sides and tear.
He would want the cheapest kind you get in rolls from China

 

[El Marro]

FWIW, I send the same measurements to all different makers. I get different results. It's been quite a few different makers, no two are alike, no two jackets from the same makers are alike.

So so true!
I have four Good Wear jackets that John made for me with my specified measurements and they all fit differently. For the first three I gave him the exact same instructions and yet each time he did something a bit different, wider shoulders and narrower Pit to pit, etc.
I have nothing to complain about because they all fit me very well when I received them and only since I began lifting weights again a couple years ago are they getting a bit tighter than I like although still very wearable.

 

[El Marro]

I have an idea: instead of trying to pick off sale page jackets with stock sizes (or non-stock and just returns of jackets that didn't fit the original buyer), why don't you actually invest time to know what your ideal measurement range is and have Greg build you something that is within the specs you want?

Out of all the members of this forum I think that @Canuck Panda probably has a better idea of his ideal measurements than most of us. He has certainly bought enough jackets from enough makers and I have learned a lot about leather, jacket fit, and jacket construction from reading his posts.

 

[Marc mndt]

Seriously? Postures? My postures changes so many times through out the day I just can't keep tracking them.

What's next?

I will wait to get my sale page jacket and post something that is actually useful.

You're making fun of my comment. That's ok, whatever. But Greg chose to give his jackets a particular sleeve curvature which (combined with an overall trim fit) doesn't work for everyone. Yes, when sizing up it will become less of a problem because there will be more wiggle room. But that doesn't make it a sizing issue.

 

[red devil]

Seriously? Postures? My postures changes so many times through out the day I just can't keep tracking them.

What's next?

I will wait to get my sale page jacket and post something that is actually useful.

I don't think you should be confusing posture with body position.... yes you will move in different positions during the day.

Your posture on the other hand is set by quite a few factors and changing it takes time and efforts. It may involve strengthening a muscle, stretching another one, but also the need to "teach" your nervous system the new default position you are looking for.

 

[Monitor]

There are textile jackets that didn't fit me 'cause of how I stand, let alone leather ones. Some just don't.

I recall whining to a friend about how a certain expensive jacket had an inexcusably "bad pattern" - It was uncomfortable, couldn't move my arms and the back was sticking out - until he tried it on and it suited him perfectly.

Posture is hella important and some jackets just aren't meant for you.

 

[DorKlonn]

yeah postures and the way we are naturally built play SUCH a big role into how a jacket fits. I'm super lucky and fit into the freewheelers asian type that I know a lot of you struggle with, but their jackets fit me like a glove. My friend really liked my caboose and threw it on, and it just didnt work at all for how he stood or was built even though we technically have similar body sizes.

Its unfortunate that not all jackets can fit us, but it makes it all the more fun to find the ones that can. Also I echo everyone, posture is very real and very different for each person. Why are we making fun of Marc for making a very legitimate statement about how we should actually view whether a jacket fits us or not

 

[TooManyHatsOnlyOneHead]

Started to write a much longer post. Realized it wasn't going to make any friends around here LOL. Just wanted to say, we're talking about jackets here. Try and remember that from time to time LOL.

 

[El Marro]

Started to write a much longer post. Realized it wasn't going to make any friends around here LOL. Just wanted to say, we're talking about jackets here. Try and remember that from time to time LOL.

Good man! I’ve pulled myself back from time to time here and I always feel good about it when I do. I’ve recently tried exercising the same restraint when behind the wheel and this is proving a bit more difficult.

 

[Canuck Panda]

You're making fun of my comment. That's ok, whatever. But Greg chose to give his jackets a particular sleeve curvature which (combined with an overall trim fit) doesn't work for everyone. Yes, when sizing up it will become less of a problem because there will be more wiggle room. But that doesn't make it a sizing issue.

I am SORRY! Marc.

I didn't intend to make fun of your comment to me. Shit comes out of my mouth a lot. But I didn't mean to make fun of your comment. I do my best these days not to use swear words. But shit still comes out. Again, Sorry! Hopefully my clear intention (not make fun of your comment) has helped to clear some of the bad feeling (which I am very SORRY for)

This is a Hobby, and I've ruined it in this thread for everyone who felt upset by it. It was not my intention. I wish we could do this in person then you will see what I mean. Shit coming out of my mouth in a face to face situation cause a laughter not harm like this. I am sorry for that.

Everyone who got upset with what I posted I am SORRY. Not my intend. Before digging myself further into the hole I will stop here with words. Just know I don't have any ill intention for anyone. Sorry again.