Did Schott buy Shinki? Another Shinki STYLE: P617H

[Marc mndt]

I actually believe the Mulholland is quite a good pattern. It doesn't fit everyone of course, but man does it fit a lot of people extremely well.

I've tried the Mulholland, it's a terrible pattern. Yes not every jacket is a good fit for everyone but the Mulholland is bad in general. Same holds for the Speedmaster which might even be worse.

 

[Tom71]

Went back and tried on both today and pretty much concur with all of this. Love the shine and depth of the Schott shinki and would love to have my double rider option be a Schott perfecto, but I just think the cut of the Eastman fits me better (I much prefer the V shape and length).

The Eastman feels a bit 'tighter' through the. body but the shoulders might be better than the Schott, and the Schott kind of bulges out in the chest/belly in an unflattering way when seen from the side (though that might subside/deflate as the leather gets more wear).

Forgive the formal attire but at least it might be a good outfit to use to determine fit.

I do now officially step away from my comment on page 1. It IS a very nice jacket with a flattering fit!

For whatever reason, Schott just uses an inapppropriate model to show it. Were they to use one of the fit photos in this thread, the jacket would be sold out by now!

 

[Tom71]

Went back and tried on both today and pretty much concur with all of this. Love the shine and depth of the Schott shinki and would love to have my double rider option be a Schott perfecto, but I just think the cut of the Eastman fits me better (I much prefer the V shape and length).

The Eastman feels a bit 'tighter' through the. body but the shoulders might be better than the Schott, and the Schott kind of bulges out in the chest/belly in an unflattering way when seen from the side (though that might subside/deflate as the leather gets more wear).

Forgive the formal attire but at least it might be a good outfit to use to determine fit.

Which sizes did you try on? Is it 44 in the Eastman and "L" in the Schott?

 

[JackBroChill]

Which sizes did you try on? Is it 44 in the Eastman and "L" in the Schott?

Yep!

 

[Tom71]

Yep!

Thank you. We seem to be more or less the same size. Did you try the XL as well? I would think, it must be too massive in the torso/hem, while shoulders and lenght could be working somehow.

As @Aloysius said, the lettered sizing seems to be kind of in-between the numbered one, which may or may not work on an individual basis.

 

[Kuro]

Went back and tried on both today and pretty much concur with all of this. Love the shine and depth of the Schott shinki and would love to have my double rider option be a Schott perfecto, but I just think the cut of the Eastman fits me better (I much prefer the V shape and length).

The Eastman feels a bit 'tighter' through the. body but the shoulders might be better than the Schott, and the Schott kind of bulges out in the chest/belly in an unflattering way when seen from the side (though that might subside/deflate as the leather gets more wear).

Forgive the formal attire but at least it might be a good outfit to use to determine fit.

Thanks for these fit photos. They are really helpful!

 

[JackBroChill]

Thank you. We seem to be more or less the same size. Did you try the XL as well? I would think, it must be too massive in the torso/hem, while shoulders and lenght could be working somehow.

As @Aloysius said, the lettered sizing seems to be kind of in-between the numbered one, which may or may not work on an individual basis.

I did, I think it fit ok (length was probably not great) but the main thing was that it felt like I was swimming the chest, like not so much that the shoulders or whole thing looked oversized, but just feeling there there was so much room if I zipped it up and pulled out the chest from the front (which is my main fit issue with the L, frankly, since I don't think it's very flattering how much it puffs out in front from the side and maybe doesn't drape in the front when unzipped as I would want it to but that might improve when the leather is 'tamed' a bit with wear).

Here is the sizing chart from Schott.

 

[Canuck Panda]

613/618 has wider shoulder and more V taper in the body, size 44 has 19.25" to 20" shoulder, 22.75" to 24" P2P, 21" hem. Even if they used alphabetical size L which is a 43 it will still have the flattering proportions like the Eastman.
Not quite the fair fight between the Eastman and this new Shinki Schott imo. One is designed to fit a handful of people extremely well the other is to fit as many as possible medium well. A fair fight would be between a Shinki 618/613 and an Eastman, and I think I would go with the Shinki 613/618 in the regular pattern.

 

[Kuro]

I just ordered one. I want a chill, easy to wear double rider with a wool liner. Looking forward to trying it on.

I was considering getting the p628h but then this dropped... they both have interesting features, I just think the p617h is a little more quiet. We will all find out in a few days!

 

[Tom71]

I did, I think it fit ok (length was probably not great) but the main thing was that it felt like I was swimming the chest, like not so much that the shoulders or whole thing looked oversized, but just feeling there there was so much room if I zipped it up and pulled out the chest from the front (which is my main fit issue with the L, frankly, since I don't think it's very flattering how much it puffs out in front from the side and maybe doesn't drape in the front when unzipped as I would want it to but that might improve when the leather is 'tamed' a bit with wear).

Here is the sizing chart from Schott.

Thank you. Yes, Jerri did send me the size chart.

I am a little bit puzzled by the numbers. All measurements of the “L” are larger than those for my 613SH in size 44 But for the chest, which is noticeable smaller.
I really would want it the other way round, as I believe, you can slightly oversize P2P in a cross zip, while lenght and hem need to be pretty fitting to create the typical “V”.
Certainly, my Durable repro works that way, with a MASSIVE taper from shoulder to hem.

FWIW: I think the Schott looks great on you!

 

[JackBroChill]

Thank you. Yes, Jerri did send me the size chart.

I am a little bit puzzled by the numbers. All measurements of the “L” are larger than those for my 613SH in size 44 But for the chest, which is noticeable smaller.
I really would want it the other way round, as I believe, you can slightly oversize P2P in a cross zip, while lenght and hem need to be pretty fitting to create the typical “V”.
Certainly, my Durable repro works that way, with a MASSIVE taper from shoulder to hem.

FWIW: I think the Schott looks great on you!

Hmm, well if it's any help the 44 in the 613SH was the only other Schott in the store that I thought fit me well (or at least, the only other perfecto that fit well). I agree , much easier to deal with a bigger chest or even shoulder but sleeve/length/hem need to be on point or it can kill the whole look.

Thank you! Still very torn (not sure when I'll get to S&S again to try on the 46 in the Eastman if I feel the need) but if the Schott is limited it may be easier to try and snag that, it's also returnable unlike an Eastman from Standard & Strange or secondhand.

 

[Tom71]

Hmm, well if it's any help the 44 in the 613SH was the only other Schott in the store that I thought fit me well (or at least, the only other perfecto that fit well). I agree , much easier to deal with a bigger chest or even shoulder but sleeve/length/hem need to be on point or it can kill the whole look.

Thank you! Still very torn (not sure when I'll get to S&S again to try on the 46 in the Eastman if I feel the need) but if the Schott is limited it may be easier to try and snag that, it's also returnable unlike an Eastman from Standard & Strange or secondhand.

Yes, that helps. The 613SH is the perfect Perfecto, IMO And a great fit in 44 for me.
I was pretty underwhelmed by the new iteration at first, but the real-life photos here are really attracting me.

 

[JackBroChill]

In terms of fit the ELMC wins hands down, it's much more flattering on you than the Schott. At first I thought that was because the ELMC's thinner leather drapes better new out of the box but that's not it. It's the shoulder width of the Schott that is too narrow while the sleeves and body are too long.

I don't think you need to size up. I owned the Roadstar myself and it fits you like it for me. Snug yet very comfortable, providing great movability. You are going to have a hard time finding a better fitting jacket. This ELMC is perfect.

Thank you! This is good to know. I am slightly (but pleasantly) surprised at how well everyone finds the Schott to fit, and I do think some of the pulling in the Eastman is due to the unnatural arm placement with taking the photo since it definitely didn't feel like I should go up a size. Even the 42 was surprisingly able to fit better than I thought (though was definitely too tight) but I probably was overstating the difference in sizes in my head.

I think I definitely prefer the cut of the Eastman, and may try a 46 before purchasing to be sure but still mulling it all over, if only the Schott didn't have the limited availability...but I presume there will be more Shinki models in the future anyhow and maybe the next one will be more in line with what I would love in a Perfecto (which I think would be very similar to this one just with visible collar snaps, back belt loops, and maybe a more typical pocket pattern of the 613 model).