did iT...(guLp!)...ordered a new EASTMAN luftwaffe jacket

[johnnyjohnny]

well, i bit the bullet, so to speak, and ordered a size 46 eastman black horsehide luftwaffe jacket an hour ago...

if anyone has any experience as to what will happen next, how long, if i'll even hear from eastman, etc, i'd really appreciate it

i had written eastman an email from their website with some questions about size and shipping, had no response within 24 hours, and just decided to order the size recommended by the website sizing chart, and add my size and shipping questions to the order and hope they'll be addressed now that i've ordered the jacket...

the luftwaffe eastman is my idea of the most perfect leather jacket design and execution i've ever seen, with the aero highwayman running a close second, so this is exciting for me...any info on what to expect is appreciated

 

[GHQ1]

I call DIBBS . . .when you decide to sell it . . .



I'll be waiting

 

[johnnyjohnny]

Bartender Notice.

thanks 'G' for the offer, but i may be keeping this one...

just need a restored messerschmitt Bf109E-1 to go with it.

BARTENDER NOTICE - That's just not appropriate on a number of levels Johnny, and I think you realise that. There are plenty of other places on the WWW for that, but 'not in here.' Picture removed.

 

[Jerekson]

Whoo, better hope nobody sees that one.

 

[johnnyjohnny]

yixe

wow...i think somebody did see that pic...

in other news, within 24 hours i heard from both gary eastman and several of his folks at eastman, and their size 46 is apparently the exact size stock that i need....woooohooo...they ship it out tomorrow...i'll certainly let all know as soon as i get it, and definitely shoot a few pix

as those who have followed my rantings and ravings on here have known, the luftwaffe jacket has been my personal ideal of the best looking and styled jacket, and i think it's accepted that aside from arguably lewis, eastman makes the best and most accurate, as well as beautifully styled, luftwaffe jacket around...and, as someone who is quite pro-Democratic, non-fascistic, and actually very liberal, i applaud eastman and lewis for making replicas of the luftwaffe jacket despite the fallout from the political correct squads that seem to be out there...the beauty of design and the interest in history is not a political question, and i appreciate that these jackets, as with allied historical jackets, are preserved in living and wearable legend

again, thanks to eastman, and look forward to sharing thoughts on the jacket once it arrives, and later pix

 

[Stearmen]

Motorbike

I hope some one can answer my question here! The Luftwaffe Jacket thread had no answer. I notice people call these French bike jackets, were they for bicycles, or motorcycles? With no wind flap behind the zipper, it would get mighty cold on a motorcycle even in Southern France in the winter!

 

[BellyTank]

...and i think it's accepted that aside from arguably lewis, eastman makes the best and most accurate, as well as beautifully styled, luftwaffe jacket around...

Well, it's kind of difficult to accept it as being accurate-
although it seems to be a better "Luftwaffe jacket" than others offer.

But congratulations on your ultimate jacket choice.
It is a nice jacket.


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[johnnyjohnny]

accuracy and other things

thanks bellytank for your congrats

must admit, that if numbers were the guide, the eastman would probably not correspond to the 'median' or even the design most actually worn by the luftwaffe in ww2...there were so many different varieties on a theme

however, from what i have seen of those jackets, i can only agree with gary eastman that they probably chose the BEST looking jacket design of all that were worn in ww2 by the luftwaffe...i understand (correct me if i'm wrong) from your prior posts your feelings and preferences that the multi-buttoned jackets were the most accurate representation

as for moto or bi, stearman, from what i fully understand, this was a bike jacket in the sense of motorbike...as for wind flap, if you notice the aero highwayman has no windflap, and that was definitely a motorcycle jacket...and, of course, in the thirties, motorcycles went nowhere as fast as they do now...

ONE note: the jacket has already been shipped and should be to me by tues or wed...phenomenal service

 

[KilroyCD]

Good looking jacket Johnny, but looking at their website I think the WWI 3/4 length leather jacket is the real standout in the German jacket selection. (IMHO)

 

[Seb Lucas]

if you notice the aero highwayman has no windflap, and that was definitely a motorcycle jacket...and, of course, in the thirties, motorcycles went nowhere as fast as they do now...

I thought the Highwayman pattern was based on a 1950's utility jacket, not a bike jacket.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

I thought the Highwayman pattern was based on a 1950's utility jacket, not a bike jacket.

Of course you are correct...
I'll leave it at that.
HD

 

[johnnyjohnny]

ok, how's about...

cool info, highwayman based on a util jacket...and i thought it was the other way around...whatta fool, huh

however, there are a buncho aero 'motorcycle' jackets that have no windflaps...could be they're all based on that utility jacket...

some of the other leather aero cast with no windflap are: aero trailrider (something tells me this is a motorcycle jacket) ; 1950s half belt (admittedly a 'flight' jacket, but no doubt used for motorcycles); cafe racer (another moto jacket, just a guess); the hercules (could be a flight or other jacket, not sure)...and more...

so whilst windflaps are nice if you like them, they don't seem to be the delimiter for what is or isn't a bike (motor) jacket...at least for some of the classiche models, which applies to what started this, about the 'luftwaffe' jacket originally being a motorbike jacket but having no windflap

 

[HoosierDaddy]

OK,How's about...

.... rather than tending to elaborate into confusing Aero utility jackets with actual motorcycle jackets...as well as flight jackets...why not just state the case that many '30s and '40s utility jackets used for motorcycling...and the beginning MC jackets deriving from them during those time periods...didn't neccessarily have windflaps...untill later on developing into the motorcycle jacket with specific features that we know today. It might help eliminate most chance of misinformation concerning those unaware. Just sayin....
HD

 

[johnnyjohnny]

sure

why not.

which brings up another question you or someone else might know...was it military jackets (a-2/g-1) of ww2 that brought the windflap into both utility and vogue?

which would be ironic since the early 30s motojackets didn't have them (from what i've seen), likely because motobikes didn't achieve windslicing speeds in those years, but flight jackets (either because of being in open cockpits, which some fighter planes still were in the 30s, and/or because crews were on flat top aircraft carriers with the attendant winds), especially military flight jackets, seemed to usher the windflap in

and, in the later 40s and onward, as bike speeds picked up, this served that purpose

arcana, but actually not so much...wonder who knows?

 

[Stearmen]

Motorbike

I would say the aviator jackets had wind flaps first. Look at Von Richthofen suiting up for a flight, and the SIDCOT flight suit, all had overlapping front. Indian came out with their Ranger, the forerunner of the classic Brando style jacket, years before WWII, so they were going fast enough before the war! Maybe they were custom made, and most pilots were in enclosed cockpits, so no wind flap! Then some of the Luftwaffe jackets are double breasted, blows my theory away.

 

[BellyTank]

Lots of the early leather jackets used for motorcycling and aviation
were of a double breasted style, remember- 2 columns of buttons,
a wide cross-over. Before zippers were around.

Zippers also made a difference in wind protection, compared to button fronts.


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[johnnyjohnny]

verrry interesting

very interesting, bellytank, as arte johnson (wolfgang the german soldier on laugh-in) used to say...

french motorbike jacket design (without windflap) ending up being one of the most iconic (in my and eastman's opinion) flight jackets of ww2, and the most iconic enemy flight jacket of that war

and then aviator jackets, a-2 and g-1 from ww2 influencing future motorcycle jacket design a la the windflap

some offhanded comment above claimed i was 'confusing' motorcycle and flight jackets in pointing out contrapuntal elements of each...sounds like they started out confused and dichotomous way before i was even born...which is what makes them so fascinating

 

[HoosierDaddy]

some of the other leather aero cast with no windflap are: 1950s half belt (admittedly a 'flight' jacket); the hercules (could be a flight or other jacket, not sure)...and more...
.....if you notice the aero highwayman has no windflap, and that was definitely a motorcycle jacket.

You mean pointing out these kind of statements? These misleading discriptions? Nope...wasn't offhanded in the least. I beg to differ who seems confused.
Perhaps I'm just most always misunderstanding your many comments...or maybe my idea of flight..utility...and motorcycle jackets is much different than yours...or even leather jacket info in general. Any fascination is soley on your part.
HD

 

[BellyTank]

Johnny doesn't seem to be easily swayed by the input of others.

I still think the concept of a "Luftwaffe jacket" is a dud.




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[HoosierDaddy]

Johnny doesn't seem to be easily swayed by the input of others.

I still think the concept of a "Luftwaffe jacket" is a dud.




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Yep...it has become evident that it seems more important to glaze-over or misconstrue certain fact to suit personal need rather than consider other input. In spite of how jackets are normally categorized on most any reputable jacket maker sites...or offerings from those who have collectively studied the history..detail..and specs to determine facts. I suppose casual assumptions will do for some when embedded in elaborate storybook form.
However..I do think the ELC "Luftwaffe" jacket would be something to become excited about if that style is a dream come true. It certainly will be a well put together jacket from a top quality jacket maker and something to look forward to.
HD