CXL from Aero. Creases from improper storage. Examples??

[Psant25]

I think it has very little to do with the hanger. I have used all sorts of hangers no issues. I only got a couple wide langlitz hangers cuz i like to soak my new coats and hang em to dry. I could see if you soaked a coat dripping wet then put it on a shitty hanger and dried it in the sun you may f up a jacket with some messed up creases

 

[Dbrn]

Before anyone tries to tell me I'm overthinking this very first-world problem: I know that!

What do the Thurston Bros hangers look like??

Theirs are the Aero hangers.

Get yourself some pool noodles and a suit jacket hanger and enjoy a good nights sleep!

I see the do-it-yourself value of that. But, I'm not crafty and hate doing that kind of stuff . So, for 30 USD, I'll happily order from Thurston, but ONLY IF THIS HANGER WILL HELP, NOT HURT, my jacket. What I find so interesting about this thread is that @Carlos840's photos look, for all intents and purposes, like the Aero hangers are giving the jackets an unnatural, potentially damaging shape (especially since, as @Monitor pointed out, they don't seem to have the flared 'shoulder points' that appear essential). But, on the other hand, it's hard to believe a company like Aero would promote/sell hangers that they know are bad for their own jackets.

So, philosophically speaking, is it more sensible to go with the combination of extensive casual expertise (which says the hangers are pointless or worse) and apparent visual evidence? Or, to go with the marketing/advice from an otherwise well-trusted company (which hardly needs to sell hangers for a profit), even if that advice seems strange?

Yes, I'm bored and need a hobby

 

[Carlos840]

Before anyone tries to tell me I'm overthinking this very first-world problem: I know that!



Theirs are the Aero hangers.



I see the do-it-yourself value of that. But, I'm not crafty and hate doing that kind of stuff . So, for 30 USD, I'll happily order from Thurston, but ONLY IF THIS HANGER WILL HELP, NOT HURT, my jacket. What I find so interesting about this thread is that @Carlos840's photos look, for all intents and purposes, like the Aero hangers are giving the jackets an unnatural, potentially damaging shape (especially since, as @Monitor pointed out, they don't seem to have the flared 'shoulder points' that appear essential). But, on the other hand, it's hard to believe a company like Aero would promote/sell hangers that they know are bad for their own jackets.

So, philosophically speaking, is it more sensible to go with the combination of extensive casual expertise (which says the hangers are pointless or worse) and apparent visual evidence? Or, to go with the marketing/advice from an otherwise well-trusted company (which hardly needs to sell hangers for a profit), even if that advice seems strange?

Yes, I'm bored and need a hobby

Keep in mind that Aero/Thurston dont keep jackets on hangers for years at a time like you would.
Jackets probably only spend a few months on them before they are bought.
Most jackets they sell probably go straight from the makers table to the buyer.

I would love to see if they have a jacket that has been stored 10 years on one of their hangers, see if the shoulders look ok. I was not ready to conduct that experiment on one of my jackets.

Personally i have never used the pool noodle trick, just regular wide hangers and i have never had any probems.
Actually, the one problem i have had were creases appearing because at some point my jackets were packed too tight on the rail. The sleeves were getting flattened and creased. I built a new rail, spread them out and all was well.

 

[ProteinNerd]

I bought 40 of these suckers a while ago off eBay and replaced all my old jacket and suits hangars .....couldn’t be happier....doesn’t hurt my OCD either, having every single jacket on the exact same hanger. (Don’t pretend you dont know what I’m talking about lol)

To me it seems obvious the slight slope and thicker shoulder portion distributes the weight of the jacket better as it mimicks an actual shoulder.

I’m sorry but I just don’t see how the weird thin Aero hangers could possibly be better than something like this....They look so blantantly NOT what you need I’ve never been tempted to order on just to see and Carlos’s pictures confirm it for me.

As for the creases down the front of the jacket.....I don’t get this one...why are sleeve creases great but creases anywhere else bad? To me a leather jacket is always going to be an inherently casual item of clothing that actually looks better when worn in...trying to stop it creasing naturally doesn’t compute.

 

[Superfluous]

I previously purchased a batch of Aero hangers. Similar to Carlos, the Aero hangers did not work well with certain of my jackets and these particular jackets hung much smoother with traditional wide shoulder hangers. On the other hand, certain other of my jackets hung much smoother with the Aero hangers as compared to traditional wide shoulder hangers. It appears that the effectiveness of the Aero hangers depends on the slope of the shoulders for each individual jacket -- certain sloped shoulders hang smoothly on the Aero hangers and other sloped shoulders hang terribly on the Aero hangers. Thus, after experimenting with each of my jackets, I now use a combination of Aero and traditional wide hangers depending on which works better for each individual jacket.

I use particular hangers because my jackets hang smoother on those hangers. At the end of the day, I don't know whether this has any affect on long term creasing. However, intuitively, it strikes me that achieving a smoother hanging position is desirable. I can't say for sure -- it just seems logical.

To be clear, I am not arguing that hangers -- Aero or otherwise -- are an essential purchase. That is a subjective determination.

While I agree that most leather jacket wear and tear, creasing, and patina looks great and is desirable, I personally disagree that ALL creases and ALL wear and tear are desirable. For example, cuts in the leather are, IMHO, unattractive. Others obviously agree, as evidenced by their desire to "repair" leather cuts and/or other forms of wear and tear. There have been many threads on TFL dedicated to remedying or repairing certain types of wear and tear. Likewise, there have been many threads here dedicated to reviving worn leather jackets and/or remedying excessive wear and tear. If ALL wear and tear were desirable and looked good, these threads would not exist. Similarly, in my humble and subjective opinion, the creases that might be caused or contributed to by certain types of hangers can be unattractive (I say "might be" because I cannot say for certain that the hangers are in fact causing or contributing to the creases). The creasing is not always unattractive; rather, it depends on degree and other aspects of the particular jacket. That said, I have seen photos of creasing attributed to hangers where I personally did not like the look of the creasing. Thats just me.

As always, the foregoing is merely my subjective opinion and my personal approach to leather jackets. If you subscribe to the school of thought that hangers are irrelevant and/or ALL wear and tear is desirable, and/or you favor the creases that might, maybe be caused or contributed to by hangers, you should disregard the varied hangers available in the marketplace. That said, we as a community should welcome varying opinions, including about the issues discussed in this thread, rather than subtly suggesting that certain opinions are inferior (e.g., real leather jacket enthusiasts, who understand the purpose of leather jackets and properly wear their jackets, necessarily eschew hangers and necessarily favor ALL wear and tear). I am not stating that anyone hear is guilty of the foregoing; rather, I am merely pointing out that differing opinions should be valued and embraced, rather than subtly belittled.

Lastly, I did find it curious that one of more people advocating the "hangers are irrelevant" and "ALL wear and tear is desirable" schools of thought nevertheless employ wide shoulder hangers and/or modify their hangers with pool noodles or pipe insulation. Why use anything but the absolute cheapest hanger available, and why spend even a minute or dollar modifying a hanger, if hangers are truly inconsequential and ALL wear and tear is good? As usual, I suspect that I have misread the prior posts and missed the nuances that explain my confusion -- I apologize in advance for my poor reading comprehension.

 

[ton312]

I previously purchased a batch of Aero hangers. Similar to Carlos, the Aero hangers did not work well with certain of my jackets and these particular jackets hung much smoother with traditional wide shoulder hangers. On the other hand, certain other of my jackets hung much smoother with the Aero hangers as compared to traditional wide shoulder hangers. It appears that the effectiveness of the Aero hangers depends on the slope of the shoulders for each individual jacket -- certain sloped shoulders hang smoothly on the Aero hangers and other sloped shoulders hang terribly on the Aero hangers. Thus, after experimenting with each of my jackets, I now use a combination of Aero and traditional wide hangers depending on which works better for each individual jacket.

I use particular hangers because my jackets hang smoother on those hangers. At the end of the day, I don't know whether this has any affect on long term creasing. However, intuitively, it strikes me that achieving a smoother hanging position is desirable. I can't say for sure -- it just seems logical.

To be clear, I am not arguing that hangers -- Aero or otherwise -- are an essential purchase. That is a subjective determination.

While I agree that most leather jacket wear and tear, creasing, and patina looks great and is desirable, I personally disagree that ALL creases and ALL wear and tear are desirable. For example, cuts in the leather are, IMHO, unattractive. Others obviously agree, as evidenced by their desire to "repair" leather cuts and/or other forms of wear and tear. There have been many threads on TFL dedicated to remedying or repairing certain types of wear and tear. Likewise, there have been many threads here dedicated to reviving worn leather jackets and/or remedying excessive wear and tear. If ALL wear and tear were desirable and looked good, these threads would not exist. Similarly, in my humble and subjective opinion, the creases that might be caused or contributed to by certain types of hangers can be unattractive (I say "might be" because I cannot say for certain that the hangers are in fact causing or contributing to the creases). The creasing is not always unattractive; rather, it depends on degree and other aspects of the particular jacket. That said, I have seen photos of creasing attributed to hangers where I personally did not like the look of the creasing. Thats just me.

As always, the foregoing is merely my subjective opinion and my personal approach to leather jackets. If you subscribe to the school of thought that hangers are irrelevant and/or ALL wear and tear is desirable, and/or you favor the creases that might, maybe be caused or contributed to by hangers, you should disregard the varied hangers available in the marketplace. That said, we as a community should welcome varying opinions, including about the issues discussed in this thread, rather than subtly suggesting that certain opinions are inferior (e.g., real leather jacket enthusiasts, who understand the purpose of leather jackets and properly wear their jackets, necessarily eschew hangers and necessarily favor ALL wear and tear). I am not stating that anyone hear is guilty of the foregoing; rather, I am merely pointing out that differing opinions should be valued and embraced, rather than subtly belittled.

Lastly, I did find it curious that one of more people advocating the "hangers are irrelevant" and "ALL wear and tear is desirable" schools of thought nevertheless employ wide shoulder hangers and/or modify their hangers with pool noodles or pipe insulation. Why use anything but the absolute cheapest hanger available, and why spend even a minute or dollar modifying a hanger, if hangers are truly inconsequential and ALL wear and tear is good? As usual, I suspect that I have misread the prior posts and missed the nuances that explain my confusion -- I apologize in advance for my poor reading comprehension.

Where did you read that cuts and tears/all forms of wear are desirable? The initial debate centered around front creases (and how to prevent them). I don’t recall that cuts, holes etc are a desirable form of wear in a single post from anyone, anywhere, ever. Of course cuts and tears aren’t desirable. I think the point is that if you are afraid of your leather jacket looking worn...don’t wear it, don’t hang it and probably more importantly, don’t buy one.

 

[Superfluous]

The initial debate centered around front creases (and how to prevent them). . . . I think the point is that if you are afraid of your leather jacket looking worn...don’t wear it, don’t hang it and probably more importantly, don’t buy one.

Not wanting your jacket to have long, pronounced, vertical creases spanning the chest of the jacket is entirely different from wanting your jacket to generally look worn and patinaed. Stated another way, one can both enjoy the look of a worn, patinaed leather jacket and also disfavor long, pronounced, vertical creases spanning the chest of the jacket. You appear to be equating the two -- I believe they are two different issues.

Separately, many here have sought to revive or remedy wear and tear on a leather jacket beyond tears, cuts and holes. Many here buy vintage jackets and thereafter treat them extensively in order to make them appear less worn/aged/patinaed. The perfect balance is wildly subjective.

 

[ton312]

Not wanting your jacket to have long, pronounced, vertical creases spanning the chest of the jacket is entirely different from wanting your jacket to generally look worn and patinaed. Stated another way, one can both enjoy the look of a worn, patinaed leather jacket and also disfavor long, pronounced, vertical creases spanning the chest of the jacket. You appear to be equating the two -- I believe they are two different issues.

Separately, many here have sought to revive or remedy wear and tear on a leather jacket beyond tears, cuts and holes. Many here buy vintage jackets and thereafter treat them extensively in order to make them appear less worn/aged/patinaed. The perfect balance is wildly subjective.

Fair enough but I’m still confused by the cuts and tears equating to creases in terms of wear comment you made. One is the result of an accident causing legit damage while the other occurs naturally.

 

[Superfluous]

Cuts, abrasions, and the like can also result from normal jacket wearing and thus qualify as normal wear and tear, albeit arguably less desirable than other forms of wear and tear. When does desirable wear and tear cross-over to an "accident" or "legit damage." Thats a rhetorical question, as the answer is plainly subjective. Some may favor cuts as much as creases.

 

[Downunder G Man]

protein Nerd's dark shiny wood hangers, I bought 10 of those from ebay for $33 AUD delivered.

On some of my jackets they were leaving "strange" shoulder shapes in the immediate short term

NOT all of the jackets funnily enough.

So gradually they have been substituted with those "2nd hand" used once "Genuine HD" jacket hangers.

In cross section and profile they are almost exact dimensions of my 2 genuine "Schott" hangers.

Same photo again sorry

 

[ton312]

Some may favor cuts as much as creases.

LOOL. Like who?!?!

 

[ton312]

The main cause of ugly creases down the front are liner choices and inside pockets.

 

[Seb Lucas]

I really like the look of a jacket that is covered in burn marks. I have a blow torch that I use to make my jackets look more interesting. Afterwards I then treat them with Pecards.

 

[zebedee]

My zip front jackets always develop these front creases; the button front ones seem not to do so as much. I just use wide-shoulder hangers (the kind you'd buy a store jacket on). I'd expect a jacket to develop those vertical creases- by the time they do, I've worn them enough not to care- I've not seen them develop before arm creases, etc. I regard them as being inevitable and irrelevant on zip jackets. Knocks and scrapes I don't care about- cuts I'd fix or get fixed. That said, though, trying to tear even cut horsehide is incredibly difficult.

 

[Monitor]

So, @Monitor, you're saying you'd specifically avoid the Aero hangers? God this is confusing! Because they don't have the flared ends, or because of the angle, or something else??

Well... No. Maybe. I don't know but I can only repeat what I said before, I had a jacket hanging on a coat hanger which made the brake in the shoulder line like that and it got imprinted in the jacket permanently. Not saying that this is what Aero's hanger will do, maybe the rounder ends prevent this but I still don't like the look of it. Look at how much nicer Carlos' jackets hang on the other hangers.

IMO, coat hanger edges should reach all the way to the sleeve seams or even beyond. The seam at the top of the shoulders should be flat, whether at an angle or not is, to me, irrelevant.

 

[Seb Lucas]

The main cause of ugly creases down the front are liner choices and inside pockets.

Agree. A leather jacket is a bunch of ugly creases and marks. What really shits me is lining that sags and ends up sticking out the bottom hem. I have had two Aeros do this. My latest started to do this when still new. Got a hanger to fix that, someone?

 

[ton312]

Cuts and holes, burns etc are damage not patina or wear. Regardless of how they’ve occurred. There is a clear line in my mind between damage and wear, regardless of circumstance.

 

[Mich486]

Just burn the excess lining that’s sticking out with your blow torch...


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[ton312]

Just burn the excess lining that’s sticking out with your blow torch...


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Cauterize the liner bleed. Now that’s what I call acceptable wear.

 

[Monitor]

Cuts, abrasions, and the like can also result from normal jacket wearing and thus qualify as normal wear and tear, albeit arguably less desirable than other forms of wear and tear.

I don't know... Cuts on a leather jacket don't really quality as normal wear. Cuts are damage. I mean, it's like saying that dents, rust and missing doors are perfectly normal on a used car.