Can a man appreciate vintage and be metro?

[herringbonekid]

what ?

 

[Baron Kurtz]

exactly that the opposite argument may posit that males are inherently "men" and must therefore take on manly roles; exhibit "manly" behaviour - tyre irons and the like. Anyone who doesn't is defying nature . . . therefore floats on water and is made of wood.

bk

 

[herringbonekid]

oh.
i thought Fletch was bringing G*d into it.

 

[Baron Kurtz]

i think p'raps he (Fletch) was, now that i reread. I guess i couldn't imagine what 'im up above would have to do with metrosexuality . . .

bk

 

[Fletch]

Sky-boss loves all his creatures, even those who fret unduly about their monobrows.

Still, I worry about "men who can cook thread." They might be tempted to sneak it into the food, where it will get caught between my teeth.

 

[Pilgrim]

Men? Ladies? What do you think of the metro-sexual affiliation some modern men subscribe to? My interest in vintage and the golden era goes beyond clothes and movies. I find the culture of the era interesting too. Although by the 60's and 70's it was time for many male and female roles and customs to change, I think there might be some things we can re-learn from that era in regards to male identity.

The question that would occur to me is - why would any man who knows who he really is and is secure in his identity be interested in apearing "metro"?

I'm happy to be myself - with a fedora. Born in 1950, college in the late 60's (and yes, I even remember it), and lived through the trends since. For casual wear, give me a paid of jeans, a rugby or oxford shirt, a London Fog jacket with a raised collar and a fedora.

 

[Miss Neecerie]

From Wikipedia...

Metrosexual is a word describing men who have a strong concern for their aesthetic appearance, and spend a substantial amount of time and money on their images and lifestyles. Though the term has undergone a transformation from its original meaning (a heterosexual man who appeared or acted as if he were homosexual), current trends have seen the metrosexual label placed upon masculinity's embracing of practices usually perceived to be feminine, rather than those specifically associated with the homosexual.


Ok...so the first sentence of this....is -all- of you...you wouldn't be posting on a message board about fedoras, $300 umbrellas and armholes on suits...otherwise. Trust me, I have been shopping with some of you and you all take it -way- more seriously then most women I know do.

So I assume that where you are all disagreeing is the 'practices usually percieved to be feminine' part. In light of the first part of the 'wiki' definition, I take this to mean things like shopping, spending time analyzine ones self in front of the mirror etc....that used to be the exclusive domain of 'those women, always late to everything because they have to look just -so-'....'Man, my wife spends all that money on dresses and I can't even tell them apart'

Newsflash...most of the universe cant tell your hats apart either..or your flight jackets...or any of it. So regardless of thinking 'well hats are masculine, so there!', the trait of spending time on the details of shopping for just that perfect hat to go with a suit...and don't forget the pocket square also...means that shopping is now a hobby....oooh...wait...shopping as a hobby, how feminine! *gasp*

Much ado about labels...once again.

People is people. Times change, otherwise you would all be wearing tights and codpieces. Those guys were still men right?

 

[WEEGEE]

Concur

Nicely put Miss Neecerie

 

[Maj.Nick Danger]

I knew the apocalypse was upon us when I noticed "Nair For Men" at the drugstore. I guess instead of smelling like rotten eggs it must smell like something really manly -- rotten eggs with jalapeno, maybe...

No, that's just jumping to conclusions Lizzie.
It smells like beer of course!

 

[Senator Jack]

Times change, otherwise you would all be wearing tights and codpieces.

I always wanted to get a novelty codpiece that says 'Home of the Big Mutton.'

 

[carebear]

No, that's just jumping to conclusions Lizzie.
It smells like beer of course!

I doubt that, it would lead to men drinking it, or at the vary least pulling a muscle trying to lick something awkward.

I'd say woodsmoke, or cordite. Something that smells nice that doesn't make you hungry or thirsty.

 

[Baron Kurtz]

Ok...so the first sentence of this....is -all- of you...

how dare you!

So regardless of thinking 'well hats are masculine, so there!', the trait of spending time on the details of shopping for just that perfect hat to go with a suit..

Don't forget having the hat tilted just so

bk

 

[WEEGEE]

Mutton

Quote:
Times change, otherwise you would all be wearing tights and codpieces.

Senator Jack

I always wanted to get a novelty codpiece that says 'Home of the Big Mutton.

Mutton is older, mature sheep. Lamb is young sheep. Older sheep produce a richer flavor, but it can be tough if not cooked properly. The best way to cook any cut of mutton is very long and slowly.


Is it time to drink yet!!!lol

 

[carebear]

Wiki (or whoever wrote that particular article) is flat wrong on how it assigns "traits".

Ever seen a bunch of Marines getting ready for an inspection or Birthday Ball?

You fight for mirror time and have your buddies wield rulers and tape so you look "just so" in your dress uniforms. You spend the extra dough for Flying Cross or other "better than issue" shirts and trou.

Caring about details of dress isn't "feminine", never has been.

Men also like to shop and can spend hours in a gun or hardware store even when there's no intention to buy. They'll examine the minutist details of two drill presses to make sure to get the one that best fits their needs, even if it comes down to just a millimeter more travel or a quarter horsepower.

So "shopping for pleasure", regardless of item, is also not (and never has been) a "feminine trait".

Metrosexual, to my mind, in order to retain whatever use it may have had as a descriptor, should have remained a synonym for "fop". By wrongly expanding it into a more general description, it lost all meaning altogether.

 

[Senator Jack]

Mutton is older, mature sheep. Lamb is young sheep. Older sheep produce a richer flavor, but it can be tough if not cooked properly. The best way to cook any cut of mutton is very long and slowly.

By far, the most provocative statement on mutton I've ever read.

 

[Feng_Li]

I'd say woodsmoke, or cordite. Something that smells nice that doesn't make you hungry or thirsty.

Hoppes No.9!

 

[Baron Kurtz]

Wiki (or whoever wrote that particular article) is flat wrong on how it assigns "traits".

Ever seen a bunch of Marines getting ready for an inspection or Birthday Ball?

You fight for mirror time and have your buddies wield rulers and tape so you look "just so" in your dress uniforms. You spend the extra dough for Flying Cross or other "better than issue" shirts and trou.

Caring about details of dress isn't "feminine", never has been.

Men also like to shop and can spend hours in a gun or hardware store even when there's no intention to buy. They'll examine the minutist details of two drill presses to make sure to get the one that best fits their needs, even if it comes down to just a millimeter more travel or a quarter horsepower.

So "shopping for pleasure", regardless of item, is also not (and never has been) a "feminine trait".

Metrosexual, to my mind, in order to retain whatever use it may have had as a descriptor, should have remained a synonym for "fop". By wrongly expanding it into a more general description, it lost all meaning altogether.

Huh, so there are quite a few traits mentioned in this thread that it turns out are equally apportioned to males and females, eh? What a surprise that is.

A perfect example of the absurdity of worrying about how someone else chooses to live/interact with the world. So a guy chooses to wear skin cream or spends hours on his hair. Who's business is it other than his own?

I can tell you (thread in general, not strictly carebear), as a confirmed girly boy, that there are plenty of ?ºber-males in this world already. The more non-macho types we can get the better!

bk

 

[Senator Jack]

I'm curious if other non-macho types have begun to be called alpha males by the opposite sex. After a long stint of not being single, in the last year I am, and I'm actually shocked to learn that women think of me as an alpha male. I don't scream at erring ballplayers on the screen (even though I do enjoy the game), never touch a playstation to simulate explosions, and have no desire to build an empire, yet it seems even with my fastiduous dress women think me more 'manly' than those that do. Frankly, I'm baffled.

regards,

Senator Jack

 

[Martinis at 8]

...

Ever seen a bunch of Marines getting ready for an inspection or Birthday Ball?

You fight for mirror time and have your buddies wield rulers and tape so you look "just so" in your dress uniforms. You spend the extra dough for Flying Cross or other "better than issue" shirts and trou...

I wouldn't give a bean
To be a fancy-pants Marine
I'd rather be a dog-faced Soldier like I am

This is an excerpt from the song we used to sing when I was in the US Army 3rd Infantry Division lol

Actually, carebear is quite correct. Good grooming has always been taught in the US military. However, being a veteran is becoming less and less common these days. Hence when men do engage in good grooming habits, it is seen by many as an anomaly.

Cheers,

4A

 

[BigSleep]

I like clothes from another era and dames with curves in all the right places.

I'm Retro-sexual!