Bush Jackets

[fireman]

Human population in Kenya 1970 = 11.3 million. Population in Kenya 2020 = 53.7 million.
I think you'll find the expotential growth of the human population & the subsequent pressures on the land & resources has more to do with the fall in lion ( & wildlife in general) numbers than the lack of trophy hunting.
But all large mammals across the globe are destined to become extinct before the end of this century since their existance is no longer compatable with human activity & interests.

Sure the population has increased but not everywhere. Kenya ranks 118th in the world as for as population density. It doesn't have the mega cities like other countries. The lion population is down in Tsavo and in other national parks. That is the troubling part. If the govt. doesn't value them and put $$ towards protecting them they will disappear. However, I do not believe that all the large mammals will go extinct this century. People are learning and trying to solve some of the issues...hunters and none hunters.

 

[fireman]

Deer, turkey, and pheasant are not critically endangered due to human encroachment and being considered nuisance animals. I'd say the situation in Africa is more akin to wolf numbers in the first parts of 20th century, prior to conservation efforts. Their numbers are only what they are today because of breeding programs, and because stiff penalties were introduced to farmers and ranchers caught poaching and trapping them. At no point did anybody consider that shooting wolves would increase their numbers.

There would be no conservation in the US without hunters. Turkey are all over the place around here because they were brought in from Missouri as a game animal. They were gone from much of their traditional range.

Africa is not the US....they don't have anywhere near the resources of the US. There is not the $$ to protect game from poachers w/o hunting fees. Some fees run up to $200,000. That can pay for a lot of game rangers in Africa. Photo safaris don't bring in anywhere close ot that amount.

 

[fireman]

Probably best that discussion go somewhere else since it is not really about Safari jackets.

 

[Correus]

I'm really not sure what you are trying to say. Making game animals worth something has definitely worked. Here in the US we are awash in game animals in many places because the are valued by hunters. Hunters will pay to hunt them and that money goes to help manage them. Deer, turkey, pheasant, sheep, Elk, Ducks etc have all benefited by management. They have value to hunters so we will pay fees, taxes etc to manage them. Some countries in Africa have adopted this policy and have strong populations other have not and the results show.

Agreed....

 

[Bushman]

There would be no conservation in the US without hunters. Turkey are all over the place around here because they were brought in from Missouri as a game animal. They were gone from much of their traditional range.

Africa is not the US....they don't have anywhere near the resources of the US. There is not the $$ to protect game from poachers w/o hunting fees. Some fees run up to $200,000. That can pay for a lot of game rangers in Africa. Photo safaris don't bring in anywhere close ot that amount.

Again, there is a huge difference in population between Turkeys and, say, black rhinos. You can't treat a species that is critically endangered like an overpopulation problem.

 

[fireman]

Again, there is a huge difference in population between Turkeys and, say, black rhinos. You can't treat a species that is critically endangered like an overpopulation problem.

Sigh.....we have an over population problem with Turkeys because hunters valued them enough to pus the state to import them from Missouri. Hunters made it happen. More specifically hunters $$ made it happen. You need $$ to save the Rhino, lions in Tsavo etc. Most African nations are exactly awash in cash. That money has to come from trophy hunting. A strong game dept with rangers in teh field is what will stop poachers and the local farmers/herders from wiping out endangered species.

 

[Bushman]

Sigh.....we have an over population problem with Turkeys because hunters valued them enough to pus the state to import them from Missouri. Hunters made it happen. More specifically hunters $$ made it happen. You need $$ to save the Rhino, lions in Tsavo etc. Most African nations are exactly awash in cash. That money has to come from trophy hunting. A strong game dept with rangers in teh field is what will stop poachers and the local farmers/herders from wiping out endangered species.

The turkey has never once been at as dire a population count as some of the large African mammals we're discussing. You said that your local turkey population is due to relocation efforts, yes? In Missouri, turkey are not an endangered species. Their net population is not affected by relocating a breeding population to another area. The critically endangered African mammals don't have this luxury. The entire species is affected when you shoot one. Money or not, shooting a critically endangered species doesn't help anything.

Take the California Condor, a species successfully brought back from the brink of extinction. The species was nearly wiped from this Earth due to poaching and habitat loss due to farming. From a count of only 27 individuals, the species now numbers nearly 500 due to conservation efforts by local zoos. Breeding programs, education, and fighting back against poaching saved this species. Not once did the local governments ever consider selling tickets to wealthy tourists to shoot them.

The same strategy that was successful in California is also being implemented across central Africa by privately funded organizations such the WWF, who, while not opposed to allowing hunting of species with sustainable numbers for funding does not support the hunting of critically endangered species. This is the same stance I pointed out in my first post on the subject:

As someone who has hunted, I do not oppose hunting species with healthy numbers...

 

[Tiki Tom]

A small whiff of good news… Kenya’s elephant numbers have doubled over three decades:

https://www.dw.com/en/kenyas-elephant-numbers-double-over-three-decades/a-54544415

An even bigger whiff of good news: We seem to (finally) be nearing the peak of the human population curve.

The world’s human population will peak at 9.7 billion in 2064 and decline to 8.8 billion by the end of the century, according to research led by the University of Washington.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-2-billion-below-un-forecasts-study-suggests

 

[Tiki Tom]

Getting back on topic. I suppose this is the “ultimate” bush jacket; if only because of the classic golden-era brand name and the claim that it is the jacket Hemingway wore.

http://willis-and-geiger.com/wg_outfitters/lc.html

Although, being a traditionalist, I would personally prefer it with a belt. I'm also not sure about the glasses pocket on the sleeve.

 

[Bushman]

^That Willis & Geiger is the one I have. It's a great light-weight jacket for traversing the bush in the humid summer months!

 

[1961MJS]

Deer, turkey, and pheasant are not critically endangered due to human encroachment and being considered nuisance animals. I'd say the situation in Africa is more akin to wolf numbers in the first parts of 20th century, prior to conservation efforts. Their numbers are only what they are today because of breeding programs, and because stiff penalties were introduced to farmers and ranchers caught poaching and trapping them. At no point did anybody consider that shooting wolves would increase their numbers.

Hi, while TRUE, but what's also true is that no one HOPED that shooting wolves would increase their numbers. I think that at least most African's value Elephants as a food source, tourist source, and/or hunting income source. No one thought of a wolf in any of those terms.

I think a common opinion would have been that Wolves belong in Zoos and absolutely no where else. Oddly Coyotes also eat calves, chickens, etc but they're thriving in the cities.

Later

 

[Bushman]

Hi, while TRUE, but what's also true is that no one HOPED that shooting wolves would increase their numbers. I think that at least most African's value Elephants as a food source, tourist source, and/or hunting income source. No one thought of a wolf in any of those terms.

I think a common opinion would have been that Wolves belong in Zoos and absolutely no where else. Oddly Coyotes also eat calves, chickens, etc but they're thriving in the cities.

Later

It interesting how some species, even closely related ones, have easily adapted and even thrived to living in urban habitats with humans. Coyotes popping up in Chicago is not an unheard of event. During the lockdown earlier this year, coyotes were spotted running through downtown streets that would normally be filled with heavy vehicular and foot traffic. And I'll never forget the time a coyote casually decided to walk into a downtown sandwich shop.

Welcome to the jungle! I guess the real hunt to be had these days is in a different kind of jungle.

 

[Doctor Damage]

 

[fireman]

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Wow...great pic. You look a lot like that English guy that married Princess Di.

 

[Tiki Tom]

I appreciate the way the belt on his jacket is neatly fastened "just so". If I'm using my belt, I generally just loosely knot it. Or, more often, the ends of my belt are just tucked into the hand warmer pockets that are behind the lower bellows pockets.

 

[Correus]

I've been an avid collector of vintage expedition, exploration, and safari gear for years; yet due to putting together a vintage safari outfit (for car shows and such) I think I've developed a fetish for vintage safari clothing!!! This little beauty arrived today. It's not as old as the long sleeved safari jacket I posted about a few posts back, but it definitely has that 'classic' look.

It's a 'Khaki Jungle' safari jacket. The company got started around 1987 and lasted about 10 years AFAIK. Their full name is 'Khaki Jungle Clothing For The Adventurous Explorer'.

 

[Tiki Tom]

^^^^ Fantastic display. I’m in the market for a short sleeved safari jacket, as pictured. Is anyone producing them, these days?

 

[fireman]

I've been an avid collector of vintage expedition, exploration, and safari gear for years; yet due to putting together a vintage safari outfit (for car shows and such) I think I've developed a fetish for vintage safari clothing!!! This little beauty arrived today. It's not as old as the long sleeved safari jacket I posted about a few posts back, but it definitely has that 'classic' look.

It's a 'Khaki Jungle' safari jacket. The company got started around 1987 and lasted about 10 years AFAIK. Their full name is 'Khaki Jungle Clothing For The Adventurous Explorer'.

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Great display.....I'm not sure what I like better, the jacket or the old school map.

 

[Correus]

^^^^ Fantastic display. I’m in the market for a short sleeved safari jacket, as pictured. Is anyone producing them, these days?

Actually - yes, there are some still being produced. I stumbled across this one on eBay though. You can find them at times on Poshmark and Etsy.

Here are a few links to those sold through online shops.

https://www.fatiguesarmynavy.com/ap...-bush-jacket/safari-bush-jacket-short-sleeve/

The one pictured in the following length is long-sleeved, but they only have the short-sleeved ones left.

https://www.uswings.com/product/usw-adventure-gear-bush-jacket-short-long-sleeve/

This last one doesn't come with a belt, but one could easily be added.

https://boytharness.com/product/short-sleeve-safari-jacket/

I'm a big fan of original Banana Republic items and would love to find one of theirs.

 

[Correus]

Great display.....I'm not sure what I like better, the jacket or the old school map.

I couldn't resist using the map. I know where there is one hanging on the back wall of an auction house; it's about 25% bigger than this one, isn't on a pull-down map bracket, and looks to be from the '50s or '60s. No matter how much I try, he won't sell it. It just hangs there and he sort of uses it as a pinboard backdrop.