Bespoke Simmons Bilt

[red devil]

Sure, but the details have been laid bare to use your expression on a lot of major companies... do you drink Coke?

Or actually a better example, do you eat anything with sugar?

 

[Sloan1874]

"Sure, but the details have been laid bare to use your expression on a lot of major companies... do you drink Coke?"

Nope. Never touch it - equivalent of nine sugar cubes in every can and dubious ethics to boot. I don't eat in fast food restaurants, not keen on junk food generally, avoid bargain basement clothing shops where sweat shop products are likely to be found, and I do my best to buy from people who source/employ ethically.
Won't pretend to be perfect - sugar is ubiquitous as your little added sneer suggests - but I do what I can, just like many others here do, so when it comes to companies like SB it's a no-brainer to say 'no thanks'.
Small point: I find it interesting that we seem to be getting harangued by realtively new members on a subject that has been gone over so many times that it's polished to a shine. Strikes me as an attempt to foist 'alternative facts' on us...

 

[K-Pants]

Ok all. This is scintillating stuff, and I am usually not one to get in the way of fiery, no holds barred discussions involving a battery of master debaters, but has this been discussed in these forums before? Are we regurgitating old arguments and coming to similar ends?

 

[Otter]

Ok all. This is scintillating stuff, and I am usually not one to get in the way of fiery, no holds barred discussions involving a battery of master debaters, but has this been discussed in these forums before? Are we regurgitating old arguments and coming to similar ends?

Oh yes. Do a search for the trial thread. It used to be pinned to the top of the forum.

 

[K-Pants]

Oh yes. Do a search for the trial thread. It used to be pinned to the top of the forum.

Weren't a bunch of SB discussions removed from the FL forums? I seem to have gleaned that in my recent reading about leather jackets.

 

[Sloan1874]

I understand

Ok all. This is scintillating stuff, and I am usually not one to get in the way of fiery, no holds barred discussions involving a battery of master debaters, but has this been discussed in these forums before? Are we regurgitating old arguments and coming to similar ends?

I understand the Style Forum is a good place for Croc wearers. You strike me as the type of person who'll own a pair...

 

[K-Pants]

I understand


I understand the Style Forum is a good place for Croc wearers. You strike me as the type of person who'll own a pair...

What's a croc?
Ok, got it: you mean chef shoes.
No, not a chef. And haven't worn them.
Not sure what you meant by that but...

 

[red devil]

"Sure, but the details have been laid bare to use your expression on a lot of major companies... do you drink Coke?"

Nope. Never touch it - equivalent of nine sugar cubes in every can and dubious ethics to boot. I don't eat in fast food restaurants, not keen on junk food generally, avoid bargain basement clothing shops where sweat shop products are likely to be found, and I do my best to buy from people who source/employ ethically.
Won't pretend to be perfect - sugar is ubiquitous as your little added sneer suggests - but I do what I can, just like many others here do, so when it comes to companies like SB it's a no-brainer to say 'no thanks'.
Small point: I find it interesting that we seem to be getting harangued by realtively new members on a subject that has been gone over so many times that it's polished to a shine. Strikes me as an attempt to foist 'alternative facts' on us...

Same here... I avoid Coke and Fast food but still eat quite a bit of sugar.
It wasn't a sneer but a shrug

 

[ButteMT61]

This is TFL outerwear. Not the Coca Cola/Walmart/Citibank forum.
I removed myself from buying from those I deem unethical when I can and I see the evidence.
Nicer straw man tho. "But they do it" isn't a defense.

 

[Sloan1874]

Tell you what, seeing that this has been dragged up again, here are the original threads just so everyone can refresh their memories of what SB and Will were about:
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/aero-trial-narrative.82006/#post-1948485
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/aero-leather-clothing-trial-update.81945/
I'm sure those at SB will be delighted to see this brought back to the top of the Lounge boards...

 

[Big J]

Wow! Some topics never get old!
In the past, I've had order issues and gripes about Aero under Ken, and I've talked about them here (Ken was awesome about putting things right for me), so I'm not an 'Aero fan boy'.
I followed the trial (thank you Sloan), and it exposed a cynical attempt to undermine and bankrupt a local family run business that built itself up over many years from nothing, by a disgruntled (possibly mentally ill) insider backed by a wealthy businessman seeking to 'buy' the cachet of the Aero brand name.
They failed.
One of the was jailed for it.
The other had to re-brand his business and slash prices just to stay in the game.
They deserve to fail. I wouldn't be proud to say I'm wearing their jacket just because I saved a couple of hundred bucks- I'd be embarrassed.
But if some new member who hasn't read the trial notes wants to berate and patronize me with sophistry and talks of 'morals' and 'ethics' because, hey, Coca〜Cola (!) then well, gee whizz, I guess I'll just overturn the whole world as I understand it then...(sigh).
Enjoy your SB/AL jacket. They should do a special edition with prison stripe lining.

 

[Otter]

Broad arrow lining would work as well.

 

[K-Pants]

Wow! Some topics never get old!
In the past, I've had order issues and gripes about Aero under Ken, and I've talked about them here (Ken was awesome about putting things right for me), so I'm not an 'Aero fan boy'.
I followed the trial (thank you Sloan), and it exposed a cynical attempt to undermine and bankrupt a local family run business that built itself up over many years from nothing, by a disgruntled (possibly mentally ill) insider backed by a wealthy businessman seeking to 'buy' the cachet of the Aero brand name.
They failed.
One of the was jailed for it.
The other had to re-brand his business and slash prices just to stay in the game.
They deserve to fail. I wouldn't be proud to say I'm wearing their jacket just because I saved a couple of hundred bucks- I'd be embarrassed.
But if some new member who hasn't read the trial notes wants to berate and patronize me with sophistry and talks of 'morals' and 'ethics' because, hey, Coca〜Cola (!) then well, gee whizz, I guess I'll just overturn the whole world as I understand it then...(sigh).
Enjoy your SB/AL jacket. They should do a special edition with prison stripe lining.

That prison stripe lining sounds pretty fantastic. I wish I had ordered mine with that.

 

[Otter]

Have you looked at Bill Kelso jackets as well ?

 

[Big J]

Yes Otter...

Any of you fella's missing a sock?

 

[El Marro]

Wow! Some topics never get old!
In the past, I've had order issues and gripes about Aero under Ken, and I've talked about them here (Ken was awesome about putting things right for me), so I'm not an 'Aero fan boy'.
I followed the trial (thank you Sloan), and it exposed a cynical attempt to undermine and bankrupt a local family run business that built itself up over many years from nothing, by a disgruntled (possibly mentally ill) insider backed by a wealthy businessman seeking to 'buy' the cachet of the Aero brand name.
They failed.
One of the was jailed for it.
The other had to re-brand his business and slash prices just to stay in the game.
They deserve to fail. I wouldn't be proud to say I'm wearing their jacket just because I saved a couple of hundred bucks- I'd be embarrassed.
But if some new member who hasn't read the trial notes wants to berate and patronize me with sophistry and talks of 'morals' and 'ethics' because, hey, Coca〜Cola (!) then well, gee whizz, I guess I'll just overturn the whole world as I understand it then...(sigh).
Enjoy your SB/AL jacket. They should do a special edition with prison stripe lining.

Big J is back!!!!!!!!!!

 

[the loco]

I wear #40 suits, and have a #42 Roadster, which looks identical to the Highwayman. However, the Roadster fits me fine, but it could be even better with 1 extra inch in the chest and 1" less in the waist. I think, the 42 HWM runs huge for me, the equivalent would perhaps be #36 HWM, which makes me wonder about the patterns.

I mean, they have been stolen which no one can approve or justify, however if they are actually being used I'm not sure.

 

[ButteMT61]

Oy. I sense that some here think the earth is flat too...

 

[K-Pants]

I wear #40 suits, and have a #42 Roadster, which looks identical to the Highwayman. However, the Roadster fits me fine, but it could be even better with 1 extra inch in the chest and 1" less in the waist. I think, the 42 HWM runs huge for me, the equivalent would perhaps be #36 HWM, which makes me wonder about the patterns.

I mean, they have been stolen which no one can approve or justify, however if they are actually being used I'm not sure.

So the sizing is different, huh? That seems weird.

 

[Superfluous]

So the sizing is different, huh? That seems weird.

If you had read the prior posts regarding AL/SB more carefully, you would have noted that, in a thinly veiled attempt to make their wrongful use of Aero's patterns less obvious, AL/SB simply bumped up the designated sizes of their jackets. Hence, when using Aero's size 40 pattern for a particular jacket, AL/SB labeled their copy a 42. Rather pathetic attempt to evade detection.