"Bash." Not a hatter's term?

[Tango Yankee]

Bump Again.. *sigh*

lol lol lol

 

[navarre_au]

It would appear its time for the annual forum bash - on the term bash.

Mate I'm as Aussie as Billy Tea and I say BLOCK, a bash is a social gathering....well in QLD anyway

ahhh the fun of the aussie slang - now which expression of "Mate" was that??
Mate - as in listen mate your doin my head in
or
Mate - do it again and I will bash your block in with this shifter
or
Mate - [insert any of the other half dozen or so meanings for "mate"]

I bought my first akubra some 25 odd years ago - just around the time I could legally drink - and the first words from the sales guy after getting the size right - was to ask what style bash did I want? - (which did give pause to blink until he gestured at the shelf where various crown styles where on display )

For me - the expression isnt one of those "new" terms that has crept in recently. Given the typical "laconic" aussie approach - sense of humour- and thinking about how back in the day the "shape" of the crown would have been "created" by those working "on the floor" - I could easily see how the term bash could come into play.

 

[Tone]

"Bash"? The casual term for the final style put into a hat. The creases, pokes, pinches, dents, and folds placed into a hat that comprise the overall, finished, style.

Is it really that incomprehensible for some, or is this topic drummed up out of boredom?

 

[donnc]

"Bash"? The casual term for the final style put into a hat. The creases, pokes, pinches, dents, and folds placed into a hat that comprise the overall, finished, style.

Is it really that incomprehensible for some, or is this topic drummed up out of boredom?

I am grateful that this thread popped up, not because there's any mystery about what the word might mean - it's obvious enough in context - but because I could have used it outside this place, and now I know not to. I took that to be the main point.

 

[bendingoak]

Back in 2002 or so, when I first started talking to Graham at Optimo, he was rather amused at all the Indy guys from COW calling it a bash instead of a crease.

Thats ok, I find him amusing.

 

[Tone]

it's obvious enough in context

That's the main point, really.

 

[carldelo]

I am grateful that this thread popped up, not because there's any mystery about what the word might mean - it's obvious enough in context - but because I could have used it outside this place, and now I know not to. I took that to be the main point.

Why can't you use 'bash' exactly? I saw nothing in this thread that rules it out.

 

[elvisroe]

Hey, it's in the dictionary!?

Call it whatever the hell you want I reckon! We are the market today - a collection of "hat stroking freaks" as I think mr Metropod described his fellow loungers once, if we say bash then bash it is!

I have on my desk a massive volume of Australia's national dictionary, the Macquarie, and under "bash" definition 10 says "the longitudinal dent in the crown of a slouch hat."

Having said that number 9 is "A sexual partner in context where performance or willingness is evaluated. ie a dud bash."

So use it...but perhaps be carefull where and when!

 

[donnc]

Why can't you use 'bash' exactly? I saw nothing in this thread that rules it out.

Didn't say I can't, but I won't when speaking to (for example) my neighbor who is a milliner, because neither of us are Australian.

 

[scotrace]

"Bash"? The casual term for the final style put into a hat. The creases, pokes, pinches, dents, and folds placed into a hat that comprise the overall, finished, style.

Is it really that incomprehensible for some, or is this topic drummed up out of boredom?

The meaning, to Loungers, is known. If you read previous posts, the concern is that a newcomer to hat wearing may use the term with a pro and get a "what are you talking about?" look, as it is not a trade term, but an Indy Gear / Floungism.

 

[carldelo]

The meaning, to Loungers, is known. If you read previous posts, the concern is that a newcomer to hat wearing may use the term with a pro and get a "what are you talking about?" look, as it is not a trade term, but an Indy Gear / Floungism.

Well, it's a long-recognized phenomenon that words are introduced to the language by diffusion from the jargon of specialists into the vocabulary of the hoi polloi. If the pros are unfamiliar with the term because it isn't a trade term in the U.S., so be it, and it's high time they caught up to the wave.

It is certainly not true that "bash" is an Indy or FL neologism, as the remarks from our Australian members have clearly demonstrated - we even have a dictionary listing to prove it. So maybe it's the case that the term has come to us from Oz, via the Indy enthusiasts and fellow loungers - but the exact progression is beside the point. There's nothing grammatically or stylistically incorrect with us propagating the term amongst ourselves and from there into the world. I think "bash" can be used without apology to mean exactly what we mean it to mean. PS forgot to add this apparently needed as this post is being interpreted as angry (not meant to be angry, just pedantic I guess)

 

[Lefty]

The same is true of "homeboy", but I'm not using that either.

 

[Art Fawcett]

I think "bash" can be used without apology to mean exactly what we mean it to mean.

WOW..who peed in your cereal today Carl?

 

[carldelo]

The same is true of "homeboy", but I'm not using that either.

Well, to the extent that "homeboy" is generally considered to be a cultural slang term (not jargon), with its concomitant prejudicial baggage, I disagree with the comparison and think it's kind of a cheap shot. If you don't like the term "bash", by all means don't use it.

To Art (just read your message) there was supposed to be a smiley face at the end of that post...

Rereading it, I see that my excessive pedantry (occupational hazard, just ask my wife) is probably coming across as anger. I'm not angry, I just think 'bash' is a fine term and was vehement in my expression of such. Onward....

 

[JimWagner]

I have to admit that I didn't know that bashing a hat was a good thing before stumbling onto this site. I know that when my car gets bashed it's a bad thing.

 

[Brad Bowers]

My problem with "bash" is that it seems crude and inelegant, as opposed to "creasing" or "styling." Makes it sound like one has no respect for the hat.lol

I'll stick with the terms the "Gentlemen Hatters" used.

Brad

 

[John in Covina]

http://www.davidmorgan.com/hatfaqs.html#q9

 

[Lefty]

http://www.davidmorgan.com/hatfaqs.html#q9

retailer, not hatter

 

[John in Covina]

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[Artie]

This is funny!:eusa_clap We tend to take ourselves a little too seriously at times don't we. Notice I said we, I include myself lest anyone think I'm picking on them.