1940's ? German leather cycling jacket bought today !

[PADDY]

A very classic jacket.

What a wonderful find for the price. As the boys will tell you, you'd find this on internet auction sites for silly prices with the normal Luftwaffe heritage story to boot.

You don't need a fake story behind a jacket. A great jacket is always a GREAT Jacket!! Well Done!!:eusa_clap

 

[Baron Kurtz]

handbags it is

Ukali's jacket has a buckle with a post-49 patent, at least.

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I meant, of course, "unless" Ukali has "misread" "DRP" as "DBP" but it in fact reads "DRP" (Deutscher Reichspatent, which we knew about already). I suspect this to be the case, and the buckle to be pre-44 DRP production, firmly dating the bits 'n' pieces, at least, to wartime or earlier. (There was a recent misreading of the BCWrN as BCWfN - p'r'aps by aswatland? - on the rear of a ZIPP pull which threw me for a loop until it was confirmed that it was BCWrN not BCWfN. Not that anyone knows what the mysterious BCWrN means.)

We await photos of the rear portion of the buckle and the ZIPPs. All will become clear.

bk

 

[ukali1066]

Clear close-ups at last, many thanks for all the help

 

[Baron Kurtz]

DBP it is, then. Very interesting. Who knows what it means? Another mystery to add to the list . . .

Deutscher Buckle Patent? The ZIPPs are clearly DRP on that eBay suit.

bk

 

[Flieger]

Amazing jacket Ukali! I'm green with envy.

One for the archive: http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=20890

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[BellyTank]

DBP it is, then. Very interesting. Who knows what it means? Another mystery to add to the list . . .

Deutscher Buckle Patent? The ZIPPs are clearly DRP on that eBay suit.

bk

Didn't we agree that the "B" in DBP is for "Bund's", as opposed to Reich's..?

"B" is '49 or later and "R" is wartime and earlier.

I was confused in the easrlier post- was transposing the meaning of the two patent abbr's.

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[Baron Kurtz]

Yes, it's possible. Is it likely that the patent number would remain the same after regime change, with just a acronym change? Because it does look like a B in the auction photo too, not an R. Though the ZIPPs are DRP. sigh

I think my Bundes Patent scheme is a good one, though. Maybe some German members can enlighten us as to whether this was/is a real acronym? (frankly i made it up. It sounded plausible. Sorry if it sounded like i thought i was being authoritative. Pure guess-work.)

bk

 

[Mike1973]

WOW!

Great jacket Ukali! And some excellent close up photography as well, great reference shots! I struggle to get close with our little point and press...

 

[Baron Kurtz]

Closure

Deutsches Bundes Patent (DBP) replaced the indecipherable "BCWrN" in 1949. A simple google search for Deutsches Bundes Patent generated this info. (lots of interesting stuff about Leicas too). My speculum has been accurate this week!

So, a jacket with a buckle with DBP either has a replacement buckle or it was produced after 1949. BCWrN seems to have been from '44-'49, and perhaps used interchangably alongside DRP. DRP pre-'44.

whew.

bk

 

[Baron Kurtz]

Any markings at all on those side buckles?

bk

 

[Baron Kurtz]

And some excellent close up photography as well, great reference shots! I struggle to get close with our little point and press...

Ain't that the truth! Zippers are buggers to photograph well. I do find the brass-coloured ones easier than silver ones.

bk

bk

 

[Alan Eardley]

I just came up with that, too. More facts to add. We must be careful. dangerous things, those facts.

Alan

 

[Baron Kurtz]

Let us adjourn to the zippers thread to await some input re: Riri y PRYM from friend BT.

I agree to further research on the history of German patent acronyms.

bk

 

[Baron Kurtz]

Does anyone else notice that leather jacket nerd-ism is fast becoming the most educationally interesting and stimulating facet of the FLounge? What with the Irvin thread and the varied and sundry german leather threads. Maybe i'm insane, but we seem to be getting somewhere with sorting out some of the stickyness re: dating them.

bk

 

[ukali1066]

Great info guys, many thanks

There are no markings on the side buckles sadly

 

[BellyTank]

Great info guys, many thanks

There are no markings on the side buckles sadly

That IS sad... I was really getting fired-up...
Bugger.

Still a kool jacket.

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[BellyTank]

Let us adjourn to the zippers thread to await some input re: Riri y PRYM from friend BT.

I agree to further research on the history of German patent acronyms.

bk

That's RiRi.

"I agree to further research on the history of German patent acronyms."

Sounds like a great New Year's resolution.
Crack out the speculum!

I had a look at RiRi y PRYM and almost cried when I discovered, to my horror,
... not marking beyond branding... blubbering fool.

It is interesting to be able to see some sense in all this.
I'm sure I'd heard of the DRP/DBP Reichs/Bundes thing before- maybe it's that German eBay guy with the elaborate images and descriptions.

A couple of academics showing their research skills and extrapolating, with a modicum of speculum, as you say- academics with cool interests, I may add.

I will try and takes some pics tomorrow- working nights at present- just got home. Daylight will make some nice,
macro zip close-ups of RiRi y PRYM.

Closure... hehe...
Nice one.

YKK when you can ZIPP?
Ruuuurrhhhhhhh...!
PRYM and popper.

 

[BellyTank]

Big Price for a non-American/non-military-issue Flight Jacket!!!

The very dubious Luftwaffe Jacket that sold for $2,550.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....m=170181953383&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=007

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[Alan Eardley]

Nice, though!

Alan

 

[aswatland]

Nice, though!

Alan

Certainly nice but way too expensive for a jacket which may never have seen the inside of an aeroplane, unless in a box!