When your told to put down the gun... DO IT!

[DeaconKC]

I'm a Parole Agent for the State of Illinois and so am familiar with the laws here on LEO use of force. It used to be called the +1 principle, and basically means that you respond with appropriate and measured tactics. Whenever someone is using a firearm, that is considered deadly force.
Let's look at what we do know. Police were responding to the report of people shooting handguns and rifles, and showed up to find a man with a high powered rifle capable of defeating their body armor at the scene. This rifle will easily shoot through several walls of residences in the area and heavy appliances, this means the citizens are in serious danger. Retreat as an option just went out the window. New Year's Eve means a higher than average possibility he is under the influence of some substance and he is wearing a uniform that would identify him as a member of a neo-nazi group. These groups have an active hatred of police and advocate violence against them. When he is ordered to drop his gun, he does not. He then raises it towards the officers.

This is a tragedy for both sides.

 

[Tango Yankee]

I suspect he meant something along the lines of a prohibition of unjustified force.

Perhaps, he did, but I was under the impression that unjustified force is already prohibited.

But when they try to do way with civilian review boards and such, that is when the public becomes wary.

As it should be, but I haven't seen anything that indicates that anyone is trying to do away with review boards at this time.

In the end, it's a tragic waste of life and the one who is responsible for instigating the whole affair paid dearly for his mistake. His bill is paid in full. The emotional costs that he levied upon his friends, loved ones, and the officers involved through his actions that sparked the ones that followed are ones that they will be paying the rest of their lives.

Regards,
Tom

 

[Mr. K.L.Bowers]

Would a bartender please close the door on this thread? This has gone so far off on a tangent, that the fact that MPiccitto was just curious if the unfortunate individual was “One of Us” has been lost pages ago.

Either way I’m outa here.

 

[Madcap72]

I'm a Parole Agent for the State of Illinois and so am familiar with the laws here on LEO use of force. It used to be called the +1 principle, and basically means that you respond with appropriate and measured tactics. Whenever someone is using a firearm, that is considered deadly force.
Let's look at what we do know. Police were responding to the report of people shooting handguns and rifles, and showed up to find a man with a high powered rifle capable of defeating their body armor at the scene. This rifle will easily shoot through several walls of residences in the area and heavy appliances, this means the citizens are in serious danger. Retreat as an option just went out the window. New Year's Eve means a higher than average possibility he is under the influence of some substance and he is wearing a uniform that would identify him as a member of a neo-nazi group. These groups have an active hatred of police and advocate violence against them. When he is ordered to drop his gun, he does not. He then raises it towards the officers.

This is a tragedy for both sides.

History is written by the winners. Wonder how many other witnesses there where.

I blame the person who called it it for not asking if they were live rounds or blanks. Just over-reacting and calling the Police.

I've lived here in the Seattle area all my life, O can't belive all the sudden in a 20 year time span everyone afraid of "big scary guns" now!

 

[KilroyCD]

...I blame the person who called it it for not asking if they were live rounds or blanks. Just over-reacting and calling the Police.

Without seeming too sarcastic, that is the most absurd thing I've seen written about this whole sorry situation. I can see it now, "Excuse me sir, are those real rounds or just blanks? I need to know so I can clarify it for the 911 operator."
It all comes down to this. He should not have been firing his rifle (blanks or not) in a residential area. PERIOD.

 

[Imahomer]

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I was waiting for someone to comment on that statement. :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap