whats the name/type of this hat?

[Seelsk]

hi

want to buy a hat for a wedding from my father in law.

now i saw this hat ( and i know its johnny depp ) but cant find something similar.

and specialy the curled up brim.

so whats the name of his hat or the type. not looking for the exact brand.

https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol...516.jpg?fit=inside|900:auto&output-quality=90

thanx!

 

[deadlyhandsome]

hi

want to buy a hat for a wedding from my father in law.

now i saw this hat ( and i know its johnny depp ) but cant find something similar.

and specialy the curled up brim.

so whats the name of his hat or the type. not looking for the exact brand.

https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol...516.jpg?fit=inside|900:auto&output-quality=90

thanx!

It’s just a fedora with a kettle curl brim treatment. There isn’t a special name for it. Any decent hatter can make you a facsimile.

 

[Seelsk]

It’s just a fedora with a kettle curl brim treatment. There isn’t a special name for it. Any decent hatter can make you a facsimile.

Allright! Didn’t know it was called a kettle curl brim. And I guess he got a wide brim fedora. (Does he always wear wide brims?)

 

[jlee562]

No specific name other than western with a pencil curl brim.

Closest "off the rack" hat would be Stetson's West Bound B
http://www.stetson.com/store/west-bound-b-5.html

Johnny's might be vintage because it's Johnny, but I suspect that's a custom job.

Here's two examples, one vintage, one modern.


side note: I've never been quite clear if "pencil roll" and "kettle curl" were interchangeable terms or not. I always considered the full roll of the top hat to be a kettle curl and the lower to be a pencil roll. I may or may not be correct in that. But most hatters should have the appropriate tool to do this.

 

[Lean'n'mean]

Johnny is a hat fetichist & owns hundreds of 'em. The hat in the photo may be a ' Nick Fouquet' masterpiece so if you have a few grand to spare, you know where to go.

 

[Seelsk]

Johnny is a hat fetichist & owns hundreds of 'em. The hat in the photo may be a ' Nick Fouquet' masterpiece so if you have a few grand to spare, you know where to go.

I know I know also really dig his mr freedom clothes. If only I had the money

 

[deadlyhandsome]

Johnny is a hat fetichist & owns hundreds of 'em. The hat in the photo may be a ' Nick Fouquet' masterpiece so if you have a few grand to spare, you know where to go.

“Masterpiece” is certainly subjective.

 

[deadlyhandsome]

No specific name other than western with a pencil curl brim.

Closest "off the rack" hat would be Stetson's West Bound B
http://www.stetson.com/store/west-bound-b-5.html

Johnny's might be vintage because it's Johnny, but I suspect that's a custom job.

Here's two examples, one vintage, one modern.


side note: I've never been quite clear if "pencil roll" and "kettle curl" were interchangeable terms or not. I always considered the full roll of the top hat to be a kettle curl and the lower to be a pencil roll. I may or may not be correct in that. But most hatters should have the appropriate tool to do this.

I’m not sure the hat in the photo is a western. It’s hard to tell from a photo, but it looks to be a softer hat. Of course what’s the distinction between a western and a fedora?

I’ve used the terms pencil roll and kettle curl interchangeably, but in my mind a pencil roll is tighter. No idea what the true definitions are.

 

[deadlyhandsome]

The Phoenix Hat Company Custom. I’d bet more curl is possible if that’s what’s wanted.


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[Lean'n'mean]

“Masterpiece” is certainly subjective.

I was being facetious.

 

[deadlyhandsome]

I was being facetious.

I guess I should have known that. I didn’t mean to I nsult you.

 

[Lean'n'mean]

I didn’t mean to I nsult you.

Relax, you didn't. I don't take anything on the net seriously enough to be insulted by it anyway.

 

[deadlyhandsome]

Relax, you didn't. I don't take anything on the net seriously enough to be insulted by it anyway.

 

[Seelsk]

So I going on a hunt for this hat. Got some advice for where to find them.

But I live in belgium. I probably got to find them here also

 

[scottyrocks]

I’m not sure the hat in the photo is a western. It’s hard to tell from a photo, but it looks to be a softer hat. Of course what’s the distinction between a western and a fedora?

I’ve used the terms pencil roll and kettle curl interchangeably, but in my mind a pencil roll is tighter. No idea what the true definitions are.

It's generally the size of the hat, although various aspects of it are distinctive, as well. Band/ribbon width and/or material, pinch, brim and crown height.

I've seen western/cowboy hats that are in every way a fedora except the size of it - very wide brim and very tall crown - but otherwise have a wide grosgrain ribbon and fedora pinch.

 

[Lean'n'mean]

So I going on a hunt for this hat. Got some advice for where to find them.

But I live in belgium. I probably got to find them here also

It just so happens there is a Belgian hat maker amoung us, Estherweis' situated in Antwerp, who, if too busy to actually make you a hat, may be able to give you some useful addresses en Belgique.
https://www.thefedoralounge.com/members/estherweis.36222/

 

[hatsRme]

Johnny is a hat fetichist & owns hundreds of 'em. The hat in the photo may be a ' Nick Fouquet' masterpiece so if you have a few grand to spare, you know where to go.

There is no such thing as a N.F. "Masterpiece." Doesn't exist.

Ever hear the story of "The Emperor's New Clothes?" That marketing technique still works on the willing. Notice all the ripped and hole-ridden pants people wear today?

 

[belfastboy]

The Phoenix Hat Company Custom. I’d bet more curl is possible if that’s what’s wanted.


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Now this is a damn fine looking hat! Is that a Winchester camel felt?

 

[jlee562]

I’m not sure the hat in the photo is a western. It’s hard to tell from a photo, but it looks to be a softer hat. Of course what’s the distinction between a western and a fedora?

I’ve used the terms pencil roll and kettle curl interchangeably, but in my mind a pencil roll is tighter. No idea what the true definitions are.

I tend to think our modern perception of where the line for how stiff westerns ought to be is thrown off by modern hats. Earlier open crown westerns would have been appreciably softer, even as they would have been relatively more stiff than the soft felt dress hats at the time.

I leaned toward "western" over "fedora" because proportions (I'm guestimating 6" crown, 3 3/4" curled brim) would put it well in line with the kinds of "stockman" hats in early Stetson catalogs, which delineated soft felt "dress hats" separately.

Justin was selling one such example recently.

In any event, don't know of many off the rack hats in those general proportions and with a brim curl. The aforementioned West Bound B and Akubra sombrero are the two that come to mind.

 

[deadlyhandsome]

I tend to think our modern perception of where the line for how stiff westerns ought to be is thrown off by modern hats. Earlier open crown westerns would have been appreciably softer, even as they would have been relatively more stiff than the soft felt dress hats at the time.

I leaned toward "western" over "fedora" because proportions (I'm guestimating 6" crown, 3 3/4" curled brim) would put it well in line with the kinds of "stockman" hats in early Stetson catalogs, which delineated soft felt "dress hats" separately.

Justin was selling one such example recently.

In any event, don't know of many off the rack hats in those general proportions and with a brim curl. The aforementioned West Bound B and Akubra sombrero are the two that come to mind.

You also need to have a stiffer hat to support such large brims. I think my own confusion comes from ordering customs I don’t in any way consider westerns yet they have 6” open crowns and 3+” brims. It’s an arbitrary distinction, but I looked back at the Phoenix Hat and Rick said he only offered it in western weight in order for the hat to hold the brim curl. Western it is.