What would you guess the most popular bash is?

[memphislawyer]

I just now noticed that my Stetson Saxon has a center bash, and my Panama Bob Diamante has what I think is the teardrop. Dont know how I did not notice that the Saxon was a center bash, and in other pics, I did not care for it as much as some of the others. Would it be hard to redo it or just leave it alone?

Any thoughts on what the most popular bash is for non FL people and then separately, for us cognesceti?

 

[ScionPI2005]

Well, I'll hazard a guess that to the lay person who only knows of mainstream purchased fedoras, their favorite bashes would be either center dents or perhaps C-Crown dents (not sure if this is the same as teardrop; can't remember). It seems that as far as mass-produced "cheaper" fedoras go, these are the popular creases that I see.

For myself, I wasn't even aware of other bashes for fedoras until I started posting here.

 

[Spats McGee]

I've never been able to decide if there's any difference between a teardrop and C-crown. If not, that's my favorite. If there is, those are my favorites. . .

There's nothing wrong with center dents; I simply prefer the look of the teardrop. With that said, I see lots and lots of pre-bashed hats with center dents. My suspicion is that it's because it's it's just easier and faster to make a center dent than a teardrop.

Edited to add: I thought I remembered a poll on this issue: http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=33786

 

[cybergentleman]

bash

i assume that at some point someone decided that open crowns were no longer fashionable as they were in the mid 19th century, and started keeping their hats bashed up- early grundge look.

if you grasp the crown with your fingers to pull it off you wind up with the center dent bash, if your crown collapses you get the c crown.

if you grasp the top of your hat from behind you get some of the cowboy bashes...anyway, for fedora, center dent and c crown (along with variants like diamond etc) are the only naturally occurring type bashes i think you can create, and as a result would be the most popular.


i could smash my hat flat and pinch the left side but that would look forced and ugly lol

 

[epic610]

i would venture to say......

the Cattleman's Bash, primarily because of the great preponderance of western styles of the hat-wearing universe.

 

[gtdean48]

the Cattleman's Bash, primarily because of the great preponderance of western styles of the hat-wearing universe.

:arated: Having attended horse shows, rodeos & auctions across the US, I can attest that a Cattleman/Alpine crease is the predominant crease you see. There are a Gus, Montana Peak, Oreana here & there, but no where in the number of Cattlemans.
From just going to hat shops & websites, I'd say the C-crown/teardrop are the most frequently encountered in fedoras & outbacks, followed closely by centerdent.
Unless an Open Crown has a lot of shellac, I'd think a good soaking would make the dome collapse down or repeated soakings would.

 

[Dewhurst]

Among dress hats the center dents and c-crown (same as teardrops as far as I know) are most prominent. In the vintage community you see quite a few people going for a diamond bash.

 

[Mario]

I think it all depends on the hat and the head that's wearing it. Some call for a Diamond Crease, others for a Center Dent... Generally speaking, if it is tall crown with straight sides, I really like to put in a Center Dent, because it's the best to bring out that beautiful reverse taper, which I am so fond of (even though it's likely to introduce some taper on the sides). The Diamond also works very good here (bash 'em rough 'n' dry!). But then, I also love the voluptuous smoothness of a well shaped Teardrop/C-Crown. Im not particulary fond of the Cattleman, but that's just me.

Now add the side pinches...or not...

As I said in the beginning: it all depends on how a particular hat and head go together, so I really have no clear favorite.

 

[kaosharper1]

Maybe we should do a poll on side dents?

 

[Lefty]

The most popular bash seems to be: "Hey Indy, nice hat."

 

[John in Covina]

One of the things that comes up is the height of the crown is related to what type of bash can sucessfully be used in a fedora.

The preponderence of prebashed fedoras points to either center dents or the teardrop / c-crown style since they tend to sell tons of those over open crown hats in fedora styles.

 

[gtdean48]

The most popular bash seems to be: "Hey Indy, nice hat."

Good One Lefty! lol :eusa_clap lol :eusa_clap

 

[ScionPI2005]

The most popular bash seems to be: "Hey Indy, nice hat."

*Takes a deep breath and lets it out slowly*

....Yep...we've all been there before. lol :eusa_doh:

 

[memphislawyer]

Is there any function component to the different bashes? I can see why machine made or mass-made hats might have a center bash, looks kinda easy to do it and go. But is there some reason why Western hats for the most part have one style bash and the fedoras have another?

I dont think I can tell the difference when I look at my hat in the mirror when I wear a teardrop (Panama Bob) hat or the center bash (Stetson Saxon)

 

[gtdean48]

I think a teardrop rounds out the back of the crown, where a diamond elongates it some. I like long side dents & a diamond accomodates those better than a teardrop. A teardrop & diamond can eat up a lot of crown where a center dent allows keeping a tall crown that may work with certain facial shapes. I really like the crown profile of a teardrop & diamond crease over a center dent. JMHO

 

[cybergentleman]

crowns cont'

Is there any function component to the different bashes? I can see why machine made or mass-made hats might have a center bash, looks kinda easy to do it and go. But is there some reason why Western hats for the most part have one style bash and the fedoras have another?

I dont think I can tell the difference when I look at my hat in the mirror when I wear a teardrop (Panama Bob) hat or the center bash (Stetson Saxon)

if you look in old school westerns including shows (bonanza) you will see western crowns are more like outback hats or dare i say fedoras with western brims...somewhere along the line i think it became fashionable to have western hats with the cattleman crease. i suspect this has to do with the mass production of hats.

people are just less savy these days and don't question the status quo.

my sunbody started with a center dent, didn't like it, so i put in a c-crown and now with the newly formed brim shape its more outback like, and it looks a hell of a lot better, a cattleman crease would just be tacky.

 

[Dewhurst]

people are just less savy these days and don't question the status quo.

Well that certainly isn't true. It seems about the same as always, as far as I can tell.

 

[Trebuchet64_Fal]

I think it all depends on the hat and the head that's wearing it. Some call for a Diamond Crease, others for a Center Dent... Generally speaking, if it is tall crown with straight sides, I really like to put in a Center Dent, because it's the best to bring out that beautiful reverse taper, which I am so fond of (even though it's likely to introduce some taper on the sides). The Diamond also works very good here (bash 'em rough 'n' dry!). But then, I also love the voluptuous smoothness of a well shaped Teardrop/C-Crown. Im not particulary fond of the Cattleman, but that's just me.

Now add the side pinches...or not...

As I said in the beginning: it all depends on how a particular hat and head go together, so I really have no clear favorite.

I think mario has hit the nail on the head as it were . I also wonder whether the different types of bash evolved as a way to indidualize your hat and make it easier to find on a crowded hat rack or in cloak room.

 

[memphislawyer]

Well, take a look and tell me if I should contemplate changing this to a tear drop or diamond dent?

I dont know all the interplay about crown heights and stuff, and this being my first felt hat, I want to get the best look on it. Maybe Im obsessing too much, but then again, I am the type to not have 10 hats or so, I hate having too many choices and hate stuff not being used as much. In fact, if I wear something a lot, I dont have problems with the price of a custom, given that I would wear it a lot, and a $50 hat just sitting there would bug me.

edit: the first 2 pics are the black stetson I took back and got the caribou, which is pictured in the third. One thing I now notice is that the black hat had the gold pin, and the caribou hat has a sewn on sticker that says Stetson.

 

[gtdean48]

I think a teardrop or diamond would drop that crown too far to suit your face. The distance from brim to crown top would be drastically shorter than from brim to end of your chin. Leave it alone crease-wise but adjust that brim some. JMHO