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What Hat Are You Wearing Today 1?

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RJR

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CRM #16 today.
 
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I honestly haven't read all of the comments here regarding Bob Roberts' departure, but enough to understand that there is some confusion surrounding it.
As we've said many times from behind the bar, members don't see much of the behind the scenes, discreet moderation we do to keep the place running smoothly. So when something like this happens, it's easy, from a member standpoint, to feel that something abrupt or unfair has occurred. We warn people quietly. And we warn people openly at times. But we do a lot of work you never see.
No one is ever removed from the forums without very good reason, careful attempts to avoid such action, and repeated chances (the exception is something like outright spam or something obviously outrageous).
We don't like banning members. It's always a last resort after trying everything else.
In this case:
There were repeated warnings over many months.
There was a temporary suspension tried as a way to convey our seriousness. This was related to the posting of several "F bombs." The content was removed with warning, and then we watched as it was flagrantly reposted. Suspension of account, 30 days. I personally pushed for it to be limited, or it would have been permanent at that time.
Within a few short days of reinstatement, there were new issues with bullying a new member. More warnings were given.
And then the latest content, which was removed with another warning. While I personally was trying to speak with him about this content and why it was removed, the content was re-posted. Let me repeat that this reposting occurred at the very same moment we were trying to let a warning suffice, which would have been in addition to more warnings than we've given just about anyone here, when the post was put up again.
At some point, you have to accept that a person, no matter how much you wish otherwise, isn't going to govern their actions or accept the rules of membership. I also ask you to be mindful that whole families hang out here, with children. And for every logged in member, there are another twenty lurkers reading our content at any given moment. We have a responsibility to those people to maintain the standards of safety and good conduct that have kept us alive all these years.
No bartender had it in for Bob. No bartender has it in for any member. We are a group of people who discuss all decisions. No one has enough authority here, including the Head Bartenders, to make a personal issue with a member carry any clout. If a person in difficulty has one supporter, just one, they remain in place. Bob had pretty much exhausted everyone's patience, and we had no right to continue to ask people to use their freely given time to moderate his posts.
There was more and I'm not going to go into further detail. I wish it were otherwise, we tried to make it play out otherwise, but we had no remaining choice but to show the door.
Please direct any questions to me privately. We won't discuss this in the open forums any further.

Dittos to @scottyrocks. Thank you very, very much for addressing this, sir.


Sent directly from my mind to yours.
 
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Vitafelt today.

May each of you have the bestest Tuesday ever.
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It occurred to me I should open a hamburger stand. Some of my offerings would include:

The Vita-melt
The Stratoburger
The Game Bird (chicken sandwich)
The Open Roadkill (varies, sometimes possum, sometimes raccoon)
The Boss Raw Edge (vegetarian)

I'll have to think of a few more to round out the menu.


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Short Balding Guy

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I honestly haven't read all of the comments here regarding Bob Roberts' departure, but enough to understand that there is some confusion surrounding it.
As we've said many times from behind the bar, members don't see much of the behind the scenes, discreet moderation we do to keep the place running smoothly. So when something like this happens, it's easy, from a member standpoint, to feel that something abrupt or unfair has occurred. We warn people quietly. And we warn people openly at times. But we do a lot of work you never see.
No one is ever removed from the forums without very good reason, careful attempts to avoid such action, and repeated chances (the exception is something like outright spam or something obviously outrageous).
We don't like banning members. It's always a last resort after trying everything else.
In this case:
There were repeated warnings over many months.
There was a temporary suspension tried as a way to convey our seriousness. This was related to the posting of several "F bombs." The content was removed with warning, and then we watched as it was flagrantly reposted. Suspension of account, 30 days. I personally pushed for it to be limited, or it would have been permanent at that time.
Within a few short days of reinstatement, there were new issues with bullying a new member. More warnings were given.
And then the latest content, which was removed with another warning. While I personally was trying to speak with him about this content and why it was removed, the content was re-posted. Let me repeat that this reposting occurred at the very same moment we were trying to let a warning suffice, which would have been in addition to more warnings than we've given just about anyone here, when the post was put up again.
At some point, you have to accept that a person, no matter how much you wish otherwise, isn't going to govern their actions or accept the rules of membership. I also ask you to be mindful that whole families hang out here, with children. And for every logged in member, there are another twenty lurkers reading our content at any given moment. We have a responsibility to those people to maintain the standards of safety and good conduct that have kept us alive all these years.
No bartender had it in for Bob. No bartender has it in for any member. We are a group of people who discuss all decisions. No one has enough authority here, including the Head Bartenders, to make a personal issue with a member carry any clout. If a person in difficulty has one supporter, just one, they remain in place. Bob had pretty much exhausted everyone's patience, and we had no right to continue to ask people to use their freely given time to moderate his posts.
There was more and I'm not going to go into further detail. I wish it were otherwise, we tried to make it play out otherwise, but we had no remaining choice but to show the door.
Please direct any questions to me privately. We won't discuss this in the open forums any further.

Thank you for the thoughtful response and the efforts you and the other bartenders do on the forum's behalf. I am thankful the communitee exists.

Best, Eric -
 

mmbarnes

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It occurred to me I should open a hamburger stand. Some of my offerings would include:

The Vita-melt
The Stratoburger
The Game Bird (chicken sandwich)
The Open Roadkill (varies, sometimes possum, sometimes raccoon)
The Boss Raw Edge (vegetarian)

I'll have to think of a few more to round out the menu.


Sent directly from my mind to yours.
Hahaha!

How about The Kentucky Derby (I'll let you come to your own conclusion about what kind of meat might be on that one)?
 
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