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What are your 2019 leather jacket buying plans or aspirations?
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What model are you getting? Asking for a friend...
Sounds catchy like a doomsday cult anthem.
Why the Indy jacket? I have one in goat which I rarely wear. The only thing about Indy's is they drape better in capeskin or lamb since the movie jacket is a really ultra-light wind-breaker style. A thick Indy will radically change the look. Not that there's anything wrong with this.
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The Indy jacket was basically modeled on A-2 with the knits cut off, but crucially also had a very deep bi-swing added to the back - as in you could push your hand in beyond the wrist - and had waist level D-rings added and the cinch belts pulled tight as possible to create that 'super hero V-shape.
I only know this to be the case because I spoke to Deborah Landis, who designed the original jacket, walked me through the process - pushing her hand into the back of my Aero LBH's bi-swing to illustrate the point. It was a very entertaining conversation!
I only know this to be the case because I spoke to Deborah Landis, who designed the original jacket, walked me through the process - pushing her hand into the back of my Aero LBH's bi-swing to illustrate the point. It was a very entertaining conversation!
Brief Digression.
Yep - this version of the story is well documented on COW and contested. We have learned over the years not to take the costume designer's word. Deb Landis has been notoriously variable about details (who knows why?- forgetfulness, imagination, ego?).
My favourite example is her tour of the Indy costumes with Adam Savage on youtube wherein she points to a jacket in a costume exhibition which she curated. She studies the jacket and says definitively that she hand picked this very one from the Lucas archives (amongst many dozens) to showcase her skills and that it is the first Indy jacket she hand aged for Raiders. She remembers the hardware and details of the jacket very well. Only problem is the jacket is a Last Crusade jacket from two films later for which she did nothing. The jacket is a different pattern and leather and has hardware details including snaps on the wind-flap that were not on the Raiders jackets. D-rings were not present on the original Raiders jacket. Curious details to get wrong and to provide a story that supports the wrong detail suggests a flexibility with the facts.
Years of research and input from movie costume collectors, with access to original jackets and production team members with memories from 1981 has produced another version. A2 variations were original made by Wilsons for the film but they were so poorly made (dye peeling off, poor knits) Wilsons were replaced by Wested Leather. Spielberg was reputedly furious with Deb for wasting money and time. The replacement jacket had to have a way to stop the whip and gun from getting caught by the knits. Deb 'supervised' Peter Botwright to come up with the new pattern. We'll never really know who created the special back but my money is on Peter who I spoke to about it in 2002. Deb used to say she had never heard of Peter Botwright.
The Indy costume is really just a rip-off of Charlton Heston's costume from Secret of the Incas and Raiders even borrows shots and set ups from this movie.
Photo from the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art - screen used Indy jacket did not have D-ring adjusters. They were buckles which you can also see in the movie.
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man... history of a movie prop is a serious subject
even the the person handling the fake distressed prop jacket from the 80's has to wear gloves like handling thousands years old relic, not even Indy think of wearing gloves before handling the holy grail
I'm willing to bet many concept and details stories added after the movie become successful as if every single little thing is a well thought plan
like how many rings on the grip of Luke's light saber
even the the person handling the fake distressed prop jacket from the 80's has to wear gloves like handling thousands years old relic, not even Indy think of wearing gloves before handling the holy grail
I'm willing to bet many concept and details stories added after the movie become successful as if every single little thing is a well thought plan
like how many rings on the grip of Luke's light saber
if somehow there is alternate universe, and Indy shows up here posting photo in WJAYWT thread, some will call him out saying the jacket is at least 2 sizes too big, and how he wear a center zip jacket like a car coat.
People have done this for years. In the last film Harrison Ford looks like an ageing cosplay Indy wannabe, dressed in an ill fitting, way too large repro jacket. The original jacket was a 1980's idea and fits loose. I don't mind that, but it is at odds with the short, trim jackets that have often become the house style here.
the last movie triggers the same feeling with rambo franchise... granpa please
why would they plan for another, the genre is better adopted as video game and has been done to death from tomb raider to uncharted what more can be done
Continuing that fascinating hijack of the thread - here are some hyper-high-resolution pics of the Indy jacket. I have to say that the hide and distressing looks nice when you zoom in.
https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_1322672
https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_1322672
My only jacket purchase this year is an Iron Heart IHJ-65 Mountain Parka.
I need to chase up John Chapman to see whether anything is happening with my long-lost order. I've also been having a chat to Eli at Himel Bros about a possible jacket as a plan B, which would probably be an Arrowhead, Frobisher, or Kensington.
I need to chase up John Chapman to see whether anything is happening with my long-lost order. I've also been having a chat to Eli at Himel Bros about a possible jacket as a plan B, which would probably be an Arrowhead, Frobisher, or Kensington.
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Man I've been eyeing on IH mountain parkas!! And yours look perfect.
How do they fit? Are the generously cut or trim cut?
The newly released ventile mountain parkas look gorgeous as well. A bit pricey though
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One more Aero, probably a two-tone sunburst or KOTR, as soon as I pay off my debt. Lol.
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It started it all for me (with the T2) and it's a nice jacket.
I got mine from the Iron Heart Outlet, so I saved a few dollars.
The parka is quite boxy and generously cut. It feels bigger than their M65s at the same size. I've cinched mine heavily at the waist, which gives it a more fitted shape.
The denim version reminds me of an Aero jacket. It was very stiff (and heavy) out of the box.
That's an interesting reaction, ton.
I know it’s a popular style but I never cared for the huge cargo pockets and the oversized fit. I loved the movies and that character but I always thought, even as a kid, Kurt Russel looked like more a bad ass in EFNY. Which was a horrible movie really. But his jacket was way cooler.
Indy looked more the role like this:
