Vintage Things That Have Disappeared In Your Lifetime?

[jamespowers]

You may count by tens, but the system is based on 60...60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour. One half of an our is not 5 minutes, nor even 50 minutes, no how much you want it to be. If it's 7:30 now, in 45 minutes it will not be 7:75. I'm guessing your kids know this.

One half of an hour is 30 minutes and it is hour by the way. lol lol
And yes it repeats every 60 of either whee.... So what?

 

[HudsonHawk]

Interesting how new math never did anything for me in Finance. Old Math worked and works just fine. They have been doing it since the beginning of accounting.
You must sell New Math books to be so emphatic. I have no vested interest other than making sure the next generation of children can actually do math without obstacles being placed before them. Obviously you think they need to be tortured more. Forgetaboutit.

If you think the current crop out there are math whizzes, you've got problems beyond not understanding logarithms. And the vested interest I have is wanting to see kids who can do more math than add and subtract when you give them equation. Your mileage may vary.

 

[HudsonHawk]

One half of an hour is 30 minutes and it is hour by the way. lol lol
And yes it repeats every 60 of either whee.... So what?

Exactly. You're getting it. That wasn't so hard now was it?

 

[jamespowers]

Exactly. You're getting it. That wasn't so hard now was it?

You sound like Leher and just as understandable. lol lol

 

[HudsonHawk]

You sound like Leher and just as understandable. lol lol

Cut a couple of fingers off, and it'll all be clear.

 

[jamespowers]

If you think the current crop out there are math whizzes, you've got problems beyond not understanding logarithms. And the vested interest I have is wanting to see kids who can do more math than add and subtract when you give them equation. Your mileage may vary.

Uh the current crop were created by new math dude. Get with the program. It started with that and they never truly went back to what worked. They just kept screwing up and getting to the run stage before the students could walk. Of course there are problems and it started with nutball hippies professing New Math solves everything. Interesting how we had people like Einstein before computers and such. They invented the technology and equations to create from the ether that which didn't exist before. They had inventiveness without provocation by the "experts" about how to learn things on their own---actually on their own after they learned the basics. New Math was invented not by people like them but by academics who never did what they did they just taught because they couldn't. Therefore detached from real world application. Gee, it failed---no kidding.

 

[V.C. Brunswick]

To me Discovery Math is when you only have a dollar and then DISCOVER a ten spot on the ground. When you add them together the answer is LUNCH!

 

[jamespowers]

Cut a couple of fingers off, and it'll all be clear.

You first. Then you can explain like Ma and Pa. lol lol

 

[jamespowers]

To me Discovery Math is when you have a dollar and then DISCOVER a ten spot on the ground. When you add them together the answer is LUNCH!

Government Math. Now I get it. :rofl:

 

[HudsonHawk]

Uh the current crop were created by new math dude. Get with the program. It started with that and they never truly went back to what worked. They just kept screwing up and getting to the run stage before the students could walk. Of course there are problems and it started with nutball hippies professing New Math solves everything. Interesting how we had people like Einstein before computers and such. They invented the technology and equations to create from the ether that which didn't exist before. They had inventiveness without provocation by the "experts" about how to learn things on their own---actually on their own after they learned the basics. New Math was invented not by people like them but by academics who never did what they did they just taught because they couldn't. Therefore detached from real world application. Gee, it failed---no kidding.

Trust me...Einstein understood the concepts that were the basis of new math. In fact, it was the gap between him and the rest of the doofuses who only knew the old math that started the push for the former.

 

[HudsonHawk]

To me Discovery Math is when you only have a dollar and then DISCOVER a ten spot on the ground. When you add them together the answer is LUNCH!

Or when doing laundry, your wife discovers your change and for some reason thinks it now belongs to her.

 

[jamespowers]

Trust me...Einstein understood the concepts that were the basis of new math. In fact, it was the gap between him and the rest of the doofuses who only knew the old math that started the push for the former.

You missed my point entirely. He built on the old math to get to the concepts he proposed. He didn't start with New Math. You have to understand that there is a progression. You don't start form the middle. A Castle needs a foundation. He himself would tell you that he stood on the shoulders of the mathematical giants of history---all without New Math. You introduce progress progressively not all at once. The doofuses who pushed for new math wanted to start with him and go forward. You can't. In order to understand it is a matter of accumulation of knowledge without assumption. New Math assumed you knew Algebra before you could add and subtract. It doesn't work that way. At one point Einstein was the doofus that knew old math. Then progressed. lol lol

 

[jamespowers]

Or when doing laundry, your wife discovers your change and for some reason thinks it now belongs to her.

It does because of the theory of relativity. She is related to you and it is now hers due to proximity.

 

[V.C. Brunswick]

The whole experience permanently soured me on math. I had a strong interest in science in grammar school -- but the new math put me right off that too. I never got better than a C in any math course after the fourth grade, and it wasn't till I was long out of high school that our schools here wised up and got rid of the new math approach. They must've really gotten stuck by the guy that sold them the text books, because my brother was still using the exact ones in the '80s. (He hates math too.)

To echo Lizzie's narrative, I've always had a big interest and fascination with engineering and I still do. Unfortunately I could never be an engineer because the way math was taught I simply couldn't get my head round calculus.

It's both mind-blowing and disheartening to think that any one of us doofii here who were thwarted by evil New Math could have found the cure for cancer by now.

 

[jamespowers]

The echo Lizzie's narrative, I've always had a big interest and fascination with various aspects of engineering and I still do. Unfortunately I could never be an engineer because the way math was taught I simply couldn't get my head round calculus.

It's both mind-blowing and disheartening to think that any one of us here who were thwarted by evil New Math could have found the cure for cancer by now.

Two lost generations. Thanks New Math you SOB!
I am happy to have killed it in its crib here anyway. The result was one of my classmates of the time is a super genius that is behind several things you might be using right now. Geez he used to hate when I could best him at chess.

 

[Gregg Axley]

I must have missed this new math.
I only remember the old way.
Then again, I might have placed mental block on it.

 

[HudsonHawk]

You missed my point entirely. He built on the old math to get to the concepts he proposed. He didn't start with New Math. You have to understand that there is a progression. You don't start form the middle. A Castle needs a foundation. He himself would tell you that he stood on the shoulders of the mathematical giants of history---all without New Math. You introduce progress progressively not all at once. The doofuses who pushed for new math wanted to start with him and go forward. You can't. In order to understand it is a matter of accumulation of knowledge without assumption. New Math assumed you knew Algebra before you could add and subtract. It doesn't work that way. At one point Einstein was the doofus that knew old math. Then progressed. lol lol

You fundamentally misunderstand. New Math isn't a new way to do calculations, it doesn't give you a different answer. It's simply a way of teaching by thinking about mathematical relationships and focusing on the application rather than simply memorizing answers by rote. Einstein was certainly a practitioner of the former, as we're guys like Tesla and Edison.

 

[HudsonHawk]

To echo Lizzie's narrative, I've always had a big interest and fascination with engineering and I still do. Unfortunately I could never be an engineer because the way math was taught I simply couldn't get my head round calculus.

It's both mind-blowing and disheartening to think that any one of us doofii here who were thwarted by evil New Math could have found the cure for cancer by now.

It's not the teaching method that prevented you from learning calculus. Learning calculus pretty much *depends* on you grasping the concepts taught in New Math. This was the reason it was introduced in the first place; to get more kids able to grasp calculus and higher level math.

 

[LizzieMaine]

To echo Lizzie's narrative, I've always had a big interest and fascination with engineering and I still do. Unfortunately I could never be an engineer because the way math was taught I simply couldn't get my head round calculus.

It's both mind-blowing and disheartening to think that any one of us doofii here who were thwarted by evil New Math could have found the cure for cancer by now.

More likely the engineering geniuses of tomorrow will develop the world's, like, raddest holographic video game first.

As far as grasping calculus goes, I never had any trouble grasping it. I grasped it with my right hand, gave a firm toss, and it landed right in the wastebasket.

 

[jamespowers]

You fundamentally misunderstand. New Math isn't a new way to do calculations, it doesn't give you a different answer. It's simply a way of teaching by thinking about mathematical relationships and focusing on the application rather than simply memorizing answers by rote. Einstein was certainly a practitioner of the former, as we're guys like Tesla and Edison.

It is a different way to do calculations. They really didn't care about the answer when I had that crap. They were more concerned with process than actually getting a right answer. I am sure none of those people you mentioned were more concerned with process than with getting a useable and applicable answer.
Tesla isn't quite in the same league though. He was certifiable by today's standards. Hmmmmmm....maybe he would support New Math now that I think about it.....