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Union Labels
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Baron Kurtz
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I'll be rehosting some of my pics soon (.mac was just a rip-off for poor service) so will update them when that's done.
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could someone direct me to the thread that outlines the union labels?
I recently came by a really nice suit with a red numbers union label and would like to date it, how ever aproxamate it might be.
I recently came by a really nice suit with a red numbers union label and would like to date it, how ever aproxamate it might be.
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Did you try the search option?
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yup
I sure did and so far nothing that was helpfull.
I sure did and so far nothing that was helpfull.
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thanks so much!
Thank you all for the help!
Thank you all for the help!
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I have read that union label tags can be used to date clothing. I haven't been able to decipher a date on these tags.
1. Is there some kind of code?
2. Is the date just often on the part sewn into the seam?
3. Do these labels always have a date? (This is important: It would justify a gentle seam rip and repair to see it).
1. Is there some kind of code?
2. Is the date just often on the part sewn into the seam?
3. Do these labels always have a date? (This is important: It would justify a gentle seam rip and repair to see it).
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Thanks, Feraud.
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Yup, that's a very helpful thread indeed. Many thanks also to the people at steelzipper.com (which is linked in the thread) for putting together that clear, concise overview of the clues to dating provided by the union labels.
I've been repeatedly taken aback by the numbers of people who deal in vintage clothing who have little if any knowledge of union labels. Some apparently don't even know to look inside the interior pockets. (Not all, certainly, and probably not even close to a majority, but enough to have me repeatedly scratching my head.) Just last week I bought a suit (cheap, by the way) with not only the '49-'62 union tag, but also another label dated 1955. This all led me to believe that what I have here is a suit made in, oh, 1955 or so. It's highly unlikely the sellers (a large thrift store) knew that, though, for if they did it would have been priced much higher.
I've been repeatedly taken aback by the numbers of people who deal in vintage clothing who have little if any knowledge of union labels. Some apparently don't even know to look inside the interior pockets. (Not all, certainly, and probably not even close to a majority, but enough to have me repeatedly scratching my head.) Just last week I bought a suit (cheap, by the way) with not only the '49-'62 union tag, but also another label dated 1955. This all led me to believe that what I have here is a suit made in, oh, 1955 or so. It's highly unlikely the sellers (a large thrift store) knew that, though, for if they did it would have been priced much higher.
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Ah, I see we have a melded thread here. Good idea, Feraud. Tidy is better.
NRA Label information:
I found this interesting: "On October 13, 193[3], the First Lady and her daughter Anna sewed on the first Blue Eagle NRA labels, made under the Coat and Suit Code. She received the coat from the shop workers, and union cooperation in the effort was reflected in President Dubinsky standing by her side in the photograph. In January of 1934, Secretary of Labor Perkins sewed in the first dress label and in February, Eleanor Roosevelt sewed in the first hat label with a golden thimble from the Millinery Workers Union. These events were covered not only in the union newspapers, but in the mainstream press, such as The New York Times (Cook, Vol. 2, 79)."
Note - the article states that Mrs. Roosevelt sewed on the first NRA label in October 1934. However, according to the NY Times, it was 1933.
I found this interesting: "On October 13, 193[3], the First Lady and her daughter Anna sewed on the first Blue Eagle NRA labels, made under the Coat and Suit Code. She received the coat from the shop workers, and union cooperation in the effort was reflected in President Dubinsky standing by her side in the photograph. In January of 1934, Secretary of Labor Perkins sewed in the first dress label and in February, Eleanor Roosevelt sewed in the first hat label with a golden thimble from the Millinery Workers Union. These events were covered not only in the union newspapers, but in the mainstream press, such as The New York Times (Cook, Vol. 2, 79)."
Note - the article states that Mrs. Roosevelt sewed on the first NRA label in October 1934. However, according to the NY Times, it was 1933.
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Saw this on a '60s shawl collar tux. I don't recall having seen it before.
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Baron Kurtz said:
I had that three piece belted back single breasted number once, it had that same union lable in the vest, coat and back pocket of the pants. That suit was early, pre NRA I'd say.
Funny it's been seen in women's jeans from the 70s... now my question is why are you looking at women's jeans from the 70s? lol
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Baron Kurtz said:
From what I found out through research of union labels there is one extra hint to date a union tag between 1949-1968. Starting in 1962, the letter R in a circle was added to the label. There was one tag that baffled me however. It was an ACWA tag, but it was on the inside of the collar and it had black lettering on a shiny silver material.
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The R symbol...
That appears to be the consensus... I note, though, that in post #34 Feraud presented a label stamped July 30, 1956 that seems to have the R in the lower left corner. I wonder if anyone can shed light on this (unless the date was stamped on much later for some unfathomable reason)?
Thanks in advance! (And thanks to all for much enjoyable and informative reading before I took the plunge and joined!
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Darren
GoldenEraFan said:
That appears to be the consensus... I note, though, that in post #34 Feraud presented a label stamped July 30, 1956 that seems to have the R in the lower left corner. I wonder if anyone can shed light on this (unless the date was stamped on much later for some unfathomable reason)?
Thanks in advance! (And thanks to all for much enjoyable and informative reading before I took the plunge and joined!
)Darren
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