Tricorn, Cocked, Colonial, Pirate hat.

[Frunobulax]

As I stated earlier. To make the wig more visible! That expensive wig was quite the status symbol!

I didn't realize you were serious! That's hilarious.

 

[johnnycanuck]

Interesting conversation. Discussing the practicalities of a hat that went out of style almost 200 years ago.
To add to the debate. The sides were sometimes tied up so they can be untied and let down to shield yourself from the elements. If you look at old British painting you see lower levels of society with hats that only have one, two or no side pinned up. Just a wide brimmed floppy hat. More over how floppy the hat was denoted how rich or poor the person was. Rich would be high end beaver that was stiff and crisp. Floppy wool was for the poor that could not afford the higher quality.
More over, back then, people were more concerned with Body temperature (avoid catching their death of cold) you only need to cover the crown.
As for sun they thought if your head got hot enough exposed to the sun it would boil your bran in you skull and cause you to go mad. So brims were not the main concern.


This page looks cool. Anyone heard of them.
http://www.captjackspiratehats.com/
keep the information and conversation going. This is interesting.

Johnny

 

[rogerstg]

The brim folded offer no protection against the sun and makes the hat accumulate water when raining, making it heavier. I don't see anything positive here.

Clearly, you've never fired a flintlock while wearing a wide brim. Ouch! :eeek:

The utilitarian versions simply had their brims pinned or laced up so that the wearer could lower the brim for protection from the elements as needed. But for shooting the long guns of the times, you'd want that brim up, or you risk losing your eyesight, at least temporarily.

Roger

 

[Edward]

Clearly, you've never fired a flintlock while wearing a wide brim. Ouch! :eeek:

The utilitarian versions simply had their brims pinned or laced up so that the wearer could lower the brim for protection from the elements as needed. But for shooting the long guns of the times, you'd want that brim up, or you risk losing your eyesight, at least temporarily.

Roger

Ha! Yes, indeed. Also up and out of the way so it didnt interfere with sighting, or, indeed, swinging a sword (or bayonetted rifle).

 

[Jedwbpm]

Over the years we have outfitted many Fife and Drum Corps. We still make the Tricorns for Landcraft Fife and Drums. We have some wool and fur felt in the warehouse not sure on sizes. Email me with your size and I'll see what we may have.

Jeff
Jeff@DelMonicohatter.com

 

[Joao Encarnado]

Joao, here is a friends work that you might like:

A torpedo!

As I stated earlier. To make the wig more visible! That expensive wig was quite the status symbol!

If you want to show the wig, why not a stingy brim or a cap?

Interesting conversation. Discussing the practicalities of a hat that went out of style almost 200 years ago.

It's always nice to get to know old things.

Clearly, you've never fired a flintlock while wearing a wide brim. Ouch! :eeek:

No. Only fired a carbine and back then I didn't wear a hat.

The utilitarian versions simply had their brims pinned or laced up so that the wearer could lower the brim for protection from the elements as needed. But for shooting the long guns of the times, you'd want that brim up, or you risk losing your eyesight, at least temporarily.

I don't see pirates using long guns. Remember this is about the pirate hat tricorn.

 

[rogerstg]

I don't see pirates using long guns. Remember this is about the pirate hat tricorn.

Oh, I didn't realize pirates had their own section at the local hatter.[huh]
I just assumed they used whatever they had or was common at the time. Besides, the discussion ceased to be about the fantasy movie depiction of pirates and turned to the practical purpose of tricorn headwear.

I thought you'd be thrilled that the basis of a tricorn was a w-i-d-e brim. :cheers1:

 

[Fed in a Fedora]

It is true that the cocked hat existed to show off wigs. There is surely no utility to this hat style at all. It does nothing well. On the other hand, it is better than my light infantry helmets...

Having done Rev War, F&I and 1812 reenacting and period hunting for years, I have fired a lot of blank and live rounds from flintlocks while wearing a wide brimmed hat with little negative effect. It is not as bad as one might think.

Pirates/privateers often used long guns. Read The Pirates Laffite by William C Davis for an interesting and historically accurate discussion of them.

Talk like a pirate day is coming up on the 19th!

Fed

 

[Lean'n'mean]

I don't see pirates using long guns. Remember this is about the pirate hat tricorn.

They did use muskets but nowadays they prefer AK 47's like everyone else.......


Hats are out of fashion.

 

[Lean'n'mean]

So many brim wasted.

You see Joao, brims aren't necessarily wasted....





It's a little like convertible cars, it's not because you drive with the roof down that the car doesn't have a roof..

As for protection, I suppose it depends on what one needs to protect....

 

[Joao Encarnado]

You see Joao, brims aren't necessarily wasted....

How many times do pirates unfold their brim? Would you have the time to unfold it when needed?

As for protection, I suppose it depends on what one needs to protect....

ah ah lol
But for that... "protection" even a fez do the same work (regarding to the men, the lady needs the biggest brim available

 

[Lean'n'mean]

How many times do pirates unfold their brim?

Quite often but only when there was an ARRRRRRRR in the month.

Would you have the time to unfold it when needed?

Yep, only takes a few seconds, longer though if you had a hook.

But for that... "protection" even a fez do the same work

Maybe for you but for some even a 10 gallon hat ain't enough to cover one's modesty..

 

[WesternHatWearer]

I have learned a few things. I believe I could shape a western hat into a tricorn if i had a hat that I wanted to reshape. Especially a Resistol that has been soaked, so that it is softened a bit.

 

[Fed in a Fedora]

The crown of most modern hats is too high and deep to be correct for the earlier hats. Both of mine are 4 3/4 inches in height and simply domed without any shaping while my lowest modern hat is much higher than that to accommodate modern creasing.

Fed

 

[WesternHatWearer]

Where there is a will, there is a way. I have a part time job where I spend a fair bit of time working with felt hats.

 

[johnnycanuck]

Lucky!

 

[Joao Encarnado]

Maybe for you but for some even a 10 gallon hat ain't enough to cover one's modesty..

ah ah. I don't think the situation wouldn't made the need of a 8" crown hat

Where there is a will, there is a way. I have a part time job where I spend a fair bit of time working with felt hats.

Lucky!

+1 on lucky

 

[Benny Holiday]

Quite often but only when there was an ARRRRRRRR in the month.

Yep, only takes a few seconds, longer though if you had a hook.

lol And I guess if you ordered a hat and changed your mind, you'd have to send an email saying "Belay that order matey . . ."

 

[WesternHatWearer]

ah ah. I don't think the situation wouldn't made the need of a 8" crown hat



+1 on lucky

Lucky!

I am very fortunate to have such an opportunity. On the average, I spend 3 days a week at this job. I am not expert by any means but I am trying to become one.

 

[Fed in a Fedora]

I received this site from a group. I have no particular information on the vendor or his site, but am passing it on because the dimensions of the images that I have seen look correct to me. Might be helpful in your effort to fabricate a good hat.

http://cockedhats.com/