This is the Type A-1 for which I've been waiting.

[Dr H]

Thanks you're a gent, somebody else rattled your cage this evening, or is this all for my benefit?

 

[Baron Kurtz]

I just don't get how all these threads go this way.[huh]

"Crap"? Come on. For all one can argue back and forth about aesthetics (it's a hobby of mine), I can be pretty sure this particular jacket isn't going to be "crap".

Regarding pocket placement with the lower seam of the pocket congruent with the seam attaching the leather to the waistband. I wish I had access to an original and more pictures of originals. I'm pretty sure they were placed where they were to minimise the work/thread used in securing the pocket to the jacket. That lower seam could just be stitched in one continuous seam from front to front, securing the bottom of the pocket in the process. A small amount of labour saved, perhaps, but every little helps.

An aside: I find that the pockets on A2 jackets are placed too high to be truly functional (I fit well into original size 36 A2s). It would be made just slightly less awkward to get into them by having either bigger pockets (My favoured solution - I have no idea why A-1 and A-2 pockets are so damned small!) or lowering them slightly towards the waist.

 

[Dr H]

I just don't get how all these threads go this way.[huh]

Oh, I'm beginning to see how...

 

[Dr H]

EDIT. You're a teacher! It explains it all.:eusa_clap:eusa_clap

Yes, in HE - any other stereotypes that you can offer?
Perhaps a chip on the other shoulder would balance things out a bit?

 

[Baron Kurtz]

Very clearly "the jacket" refers to the involvement of Dr H in the development of this particular Bill Kelso model (whether that be in hides/threads/stitch-length, whatever), not the development of a style of jacket with basic fronts and two patch pockets.

FREAKY - so tell me, just how do you feel that YOU have been involved in the development of a design that was COMPLETED in the the 1920's. Pardon my French - but that is utter self ingratiating boll*x.

Copying a pre-existing design does not involve "development".......Hello??[huh]

 

[Dr H]

:eusa_doh:

FREAKY - so tell me, just how do you feel that YOU have been involved in the development of a design that was COMPLETED in the the 1920's. Pardon my French - but that is utter self ingratiating boll*x.

Copying a pre-existing design does not involve "development".......Hello??[huh]

MM, am I missing something? Are you the same poster who took such delight in claiming credit for rearranging the pockets/recolouring the Aeronaught released by Aero, derived from a 1920's original? ... Hello?? [huh]

 

[nick123]

Be proud Dr. H, it's awesome.

 

[majormajor]

Yes, in HE - any other stereotypes that you can offer?

No, my friend. You have sufficed in fitting in perfectly with the level of pomp that I know certain folks can aspire to. You must get vertigo on such a high plane

PS. I still think (despite the views of folks obviously far superior to me) that the positioning of those pockets is SH*T:eeek:

 

[majormajor]

:eusa_doh:

MM, am I missing something? Are you the same poster who took such delight in claiming credit for rearranging the pockets/recolouring the Aeronaught released by Aero, derived from a 1920's original? ... Hello?? [huh]

No..... I'm just the guy who bought one. NO such claims have EVER been made by me. I played around with designs suggested by other FLer's. Show me where I claimed "credit".

I guess READING & UNDERSTANDING wasn't part your "teacher training".......

 

[Dr H]

No, my friend. You have sufficed in fitting in perfectly with the level of pomp that I know certain folks can aspire to. You must get vertigo on such a high plane

PS. I still think (despite the views of folks obviously far superior to me) that the positioning of those pockets is SH*T:eeek:

MM, I get it now...you don't like the pockets?? Then don't buy the jacket, it's your prerogative.
Along with nick123, I think they've done an excellent job in recreating the A-1.
If you want to rush to adopt the low ground and have the last word that's also fine, but the inverted snobbery isn't very convincing IMHO.

 

[Dr H]

No..... I'm just the guy who bought one. NO such claims have EVER been made by me. I played around with designs suggested by other FLer's. Show me where I claimed "credit".

I guess READING & UNDERSTANDING wasn't part your "teacher training".......

Well, I guess that if it's in capitals it must be important??

I'm in HE so haven't received teacher training, but I'm a Reader, so I guess I have the first part sorted?

Now, just need to apply myself to the understanding bit...

 

[nick123]

If anything, the nuance of the low-set pockets should be celebrated. In no way do they look bad IMO.

 

[majormajor]

I think they've done an excellent job in recreating the A-1.

So do I, except for the pockets!

OK, so someone else did it in the past. History ( as I am SURE you know, being a teacher, an' all.....) is full of folks who made mistakes.

A number of other companies (GW, ELC, Aero et al) got the pockets in a sensible place.

So Mr Falzon wants to pick the ONE design example that puts them in a stupid place.

Fair enough.

As you say - if we (the buyers) don't like it, then we shouldn't buy it.

I'm sure Mr Falzon will be happy that you gave us that advice

 

[Dr H]

So do I, except for the pockets!

OK, so someone else did it in the past. History ( as I am SURE you know, being a teacher, an' all.....) is full of folks who made mistakes.

A number of other companies (GW, ELC, Aero et al) got the pockets in a sensible place.

So Mr Falzon wants to pick the ONE design example that puts them in a stupid place.

Fair enough.

As you say - if we (the buyers) don't like it, then we shouldn't buy it.

I'm sure Mr Falzon will be happy that you gave us that advice

Thank you for your sage advice, I for one am humbled by it.

Although, if you look at the ELC and GW versions of the A-1 that I've posted previously (and the most recent Superior Flight Apparel/Norshor Leather, Real McCoys and Buzz Rickson) there are placed on the same stitch line; Aero do indeed put them higher in line with A-2 pockets.

 

[Boyo]

DR H, To bring this thread back on track a bit, are these jackets currently available? the BK website makes no mention of these new designs.

 

[majormajor]

DR H, To bring this thread back on track a bit, are these jackets currently available? the BK website makes no mention of these new designs.

Ni they are not, my friend.

What we are seeing are "developments". It's a big word, but hopefully we can manage the intellectual massiveness of that .....