This generation of kids...

[jamespowers]

OK, so why can't we communicate this in a positive way that brings light to the issue and not just heat?

We may need a Munro Leaf for the internet generation. Someone to write titles like The Rat Race Can Be Fun, or How to Suck It Up and Why. I'm only half kidding.

Perhaps you heard of the old bromide---when I feel the heat, I see the light? In reality, try reasoning with a two year old some time. :eusa_doh:
You don't need the Munro Leaf---Horatio Alger was around a whole lot longer. It still works today.

 

[jamespowers]

I guess for me, the only incentive I needed was being told as a small child-- and further, seeing demonstrated every day around me -- that there was nothing anybody was going to *give* me in life. When you don't have parents with money in the bank, and there's nobody else standing in the wings to help you out, you tend to realize that if you want to eat regularly, it depends on your own efforts. Anything I wanted, I had to work for, and working meant doing the best job I was capable of doing because someone was paying me for my time, and it was my obligation in taking their money to give them honest return on the money spent. That may be too simplistic a philosophy for some, but I've been putting the buck on the table with it since I was thirteen, and it still makes sense to me.

I was raised in a family that depended on giving good, courteous service to customers for its survival -- and that, likewise was a powerful incentive to be courteous in my own dealings. As more and more of the economy turns to "service industry" jobs, a lot of other people will be learning that lesson, I think.

All good points. Learning by example is a good way to model character.
This new generation is indeed going to learn about the service in the service industry.

 

[jamespowers]

I completely disagree and this comes from a 13 year old living with these urchins you call youth! lol

Ok, which part do you disagree with?

 

[Fletch]

Perhaps you heard of the old bromide---when I feel the heat, I see the light? In reality, try reasoning with a two year old some time. :eusa_doh:

Not the issue here. Try reasoning with a 22-year-old. You'll get a lot farther.

 

[StetsonHomburg]

Ok, which part do you disagree with?

I am having trouble with this new updated version of the fedora lounge and forgot to quote who I was talking to, silly me!
I was Disagreeing with Feraud saying: To be fair I will have to say our generation was much worse than today's kids!

 

[Yeps]

I am having trouble with this new updated version of the fedora lounge and forgot to quote who I was talking to, silly me!
I was Disagreeing with Feraud saying: To be fair I will have to say our generation was much worse than today's kids!

I don't know who to agree with, but I know I am not qualified to speak of any generation other than my own (millennial). I was not witness to the last few, and the next one has a way to go before I can judge it.

 

[jamespowers]

Not the issue here. Try reasoning with a 22-year-old. You'll get a lot farther.

By then it is far too late. If they don't have manners and morals by then the parents have failed. Reasoning with that 22 year old is not much different than the 2 year old. :eusa_doh:

 

[jamespowers]

I am having trouble with this new updated version of the fedora lounge and forgot to quote who I was talking to, silly me!
I was Disagreeing with Feraud saying: To be fair I will have to say our generation was much worse than today's kids!

Hahahahahah! Yeah, I know what you mean.
The drugs keep getting more complex, the trouble they get into is more complex and societal problems as a result are more complex.
I'll take the worst problems in school in the 50s being chewing gum as opposed to guns and drugs today.:eusa_doh:

 

[Yeps]

I'll take the worst problems in school in the 50s being chewing gum

I find this hard to believe.

 

[jamespowers]

I find this hard to believe.

It was the most common problem. If you find it hard to believe then it is obvious how far we have come since then.:eusa_doh:

 

[Yeps]

It was the most common problem. If you find it hard to believe then it is obvious how far we have come since then.:eusa_doh:

If we are going with most common problem I would say that now we are at cell phones, not guns and drugs, which are indeed big problems, but far from the most common.

 

[jamespowers]

If we are going with most common problem I would say that now we are at cell phones, not guns and drugs, which are indeed big problems, but far from the most common.

That depends on where you live. You didn't find 12 year old drug addicts in the 1950s either.:eusa_doh:

 

[Yeps]

That depends on where you live. You didn't find 12 year old drug addicts in the 1950s either.:eusa_doh:

I won't debate that. I just recoil at comparing gum to guns. My gut says that there must have been some serious problems, maybe not quite as bad as now, but it wasn't all Leave it to Beaver.

 

[jamespowers]

I won't debate that. I just recoil at comparing gum to guns. My gut says that there must have been some serious problems, maybe not quite as bad as now, but it wasn't all Leave it to Beaver.

Point out the comparable 1950s incident to Columbine. :eusa_doh:
I am sure there were problems with behavior back then but nothing like now. You always have your hardheads but now those guys are gang members who settle their problems with guns instead of fists behind the gym. [huh]
Just check Statistical Abstract of the US and the World Book of facts to see what the crime rate is now compared to then. Most statisticians now stop at the 1970s for comparison but you lose perspective without going back far enough. The late 1960s and 1970s were the start of nuttiness.:eusa_doh:

 

[MikeBravo]

This may be a bit naive, but wasn't West Side Story written and set in the 50's? It's about gang violence, using knives and teen rebellion. Then Rebel without a Cause in the same period, hot rod rumble etc. "Juvenile delinquent" was coined in the 50's.

would all of those things have happened if there was no basis to it? There was gang and youth violence in those days just as now. And not just in America, we had our hoods and gangsters in Oz too

 

[jamespowers]

This may be a bit naive, but wasn't West Side Story written and set in the 50's? It's about gang violence, using knives and teen rebellion. Then Rebel without a Cause in the same period, hot rod rumble etc. "Juvenile delinquent" was coined in the 50's.

would all of those things have happened if there was no basis to it? There was gang and youth violence in those days just as now. And not just in America, we had our hoods and gangsters in Oz too

That teenage angst stuff played well for Hollywood but it isn't indicative of reality. There were gangs but they were confined to known areas that you could avoid.
Juvenile delinquents from the 50s are pikers next to todays delinquents. What could they do? Do drugs? Not likely. Gun people down? The statistics are insignificant for the decade.[huh]

 

[Fletch]

I get the idea from many complainers that the problem with youngsters is simply too much free choice. What do you think of the idea that all young people should spend time in what are called total institutions - where they are completely subject to authority and must act in prescribed ways, as a group? Would this "educate"?

 

[Yeps]

What do you think of the idea that all young people should spend time in what are called total institutions - where they are completely subject to authority and must act in prescribed ways as a group? Would this "educate"?

It worked for the Spartans.

 

[jamespowers]

What do you think of the idea that all young people should spend time in what are called total institutions - where they are completely subject to authority and must act in prescribed ways as a group? Would this "educate"?

No that is indoctrination---aka college these days.

 

[jamespowers]

It worked for the Spartans.

lol lol lol