The Return of Vintage DI S E A S E S

[Tomasso]

Nowadays it's the wisdom of the mob that counts, and truth is what the most people on any particular website say it is.

Yep, and it's alive and thriving right here on the FLounge, particularly in Hats.

 

[ChiTownScion]

I think a big part of the problem today, though, is the Internet-fueled tendency to distrust and reject legitimate experts as being representative of The Man, The MSM, The Lame-Stream, or whatever other name they have for it. The cult of "alternative" dominates the net, and if you have actual qualifications and real knowledge of a topic, there's a pretty good chance they'll see you as an elitist enemy, not as a resource. Nowadays it's the wisdom of the mob that counts, and truth is what the most people on any particular website say it is. All hail the great god Wiki.

My favorite comments from this sort is, "You read too much," or, "You think about it too much!" When reading and thought are deemed as vices by your adversary, it's time to declare, "Check, and mate," as diplomatically as you can.

 

[HudsonHawk]

Yep, and it's alive and thriving right here on the FLounge, particularly in Hats.

Apparently, there's no such thing as an ugly hat.

 

[Chas]

that OP makes me laugh...."vintage" diseases..... ayi, caramba.

Yes, disease never really goes away- syphilis is still around, and there's a penicillin-resistant strain of gonorrhea kicking around. Don't forget the old H1N1. Another flu pandemic is a possibility and with today's transportation infrastructure and outbreak would make 1919 look insignificant by comparison.

 

[tonyb]

Ever wonder how much of this sort of thing is rooted in our "democratic" impulses? You know, everybody gets one vote, and his or her vote counts as much as anyone else's. And everybody is free to speak his or her piece.

Alas, some conflate that with every opinion being as worthy as the next, and with distinction in one field counting for anything at all in another. Advertisers have good reason to believe that an automobile buyer's decision might be influenced by the endorsement of a professional athlete who wouldn't know a CV joint from juke joint. And now we all have good reason to believe that parents' decisions not to vaccinate their children can be influenced by a woman whose primary distinction is that she posed nude for a girly mag.

 

[Stanley Doble]

Maybe if they stopped lying, we would trust them. Just a thought.

 

[LoveMyHats2]

Having any sort of a serious medical condition is a part of life here on our World, that most would prefer to not have happen to them.

There are scammers that would sell you motor oil and tell you it would cure a bald headed man, cure whopping cough, and make a woman's fingernails grow. I do think society is hell bent on finding some way of cutting corners when it comes to a health issue and to just blindly make statements as to what can cause the condition to begin with. Only a real expert with years of training and a medical background with a proven track record should be looked upon for any concrete answers to address a medical issue.

Now it is a given that in some areas of illness a human can have, there are some medical doctors that can only go with what they have been taught in their own school and practice history. There is not enough knowledge in some areas to know what can actually cause many illnesses that mankind suffers. Then as the knowledge of what causes an illness comes, it is then a step for research to develop a cure.

As to this Jenny person...she should not be taken seriously at all. Autism may be a left over from a number of preservatives in food that we as a society have been ingesting for several generations....or it may be from any number of sources that have zero to do with anything they have even started to study. However if anyone stops to consider how long have schools and society required for kids to have shots before attending school? Any real numbers of the increase in Autism that would show from a resulting study that is parallel to the number of kids being immunized yearly over the past few decades?

Other diseases such as Polio, Measles, etc, have for a long time been kept in check due to immunizations. I personally do not know anyone that has failed to have their children have the shots. And as thankful as I am, none of my kids or anyone I know, have Autism.

Not to "veer" off the actual topic line of this thread, but I do think at times we are easily "dooped" into reading something we could find ourselves believing. I recently purchased $120.00 worth of a supplement that claims to make you lose weight even if you do nothing more than use the product. I purchased this as Daniel has gained about 15 pounds from being so inactive due to his own medical concerns. I also could stand to lose about 5 or so pounds. SO...I bite into this product that the "wizard" (Dr. Oz) showcases on his television show. Dr. Oz (now in my book) is a snake oil promoter at best. The product is known as "Garcinia Cambogia". After both Daniel and I using this product, my 91 year old Mother and several other relatives (we all thought this stuff would really work) the conclusion is, the only thing lighter is....our wallets. The product claims you will lose about 5 or 7 pounds per week. Well that is about right if you convert the US Dollar to the British Pounds....that is about what everyone "lost".

I am sure this "Jenny" would be selling similar weight loss wasted items if she could.

 

[Andykev]

Yep, and it's alive and thriving right here on the FLounge, particularly in Hats.

Perhaps we should get to the root of the problem and deal with the malcontents, trolls, and multiple personalities who
have become the "vintage disease" of the Lounge. Sometimes I wonder if there is a cure for such people.

 

[sheeplady]

Three things alwayx stun me about anti-vaxxers:

1. Their knowledge about research is most often good enough to understand the basic cursory principles- things like sample size, etc.

2. Their ability to use this little knowledge to simultaneously gut research studies they fail to agree with while supporting things that wouldn't qualify as research if Hell Froze Over.

3. Their insistence that researchers are some sort of dogmatic secret cult who are in the pockets of the CDC or The Government is buying them all mercedes and yachets.

Number three in particular pisses me off because if there is a secret cult I was never invited and my free yachet from The Government has yet to be delievered.

 

[tonyb]

Perhaps we should get to the root of the problem and deal with the malcontents, trolls, and multiple personalities who
have become the "vintage disease" of the Lounge. Sometimes I wonder if there is a cure for such people.

Buy that man a drink.

 

[LizzieMaine]

Three things alwayx stun me about anti-vaxxers:

1. Their knowledge about research is most often good enough to understand the basic cursory principles- things like sample size, etc.

2. Their ability to use this little knowledge to simultaneously gut research studies they fail to agree with while supporting things that wouldn't qualify as research if Hell Froze Over.

3. Their insistence that researchers are some sort of dogmatic secret cult who are in the pockets of the CDC or The Government is buying them all mercedes and yachets.

Number three in particular pisses me off because if there is a secret cult I was never invited and my free yachet from The Government has yet to be delievered.

Practically all of the health/drug fanatics on the Internet use these tactics -- it's a standard pattern. The only ability any of them seem to have is the ability to Google articles and pull out statistics that seem to support their arguments -- but I kind of suspect that most of them wouldn't know a peer-reviewed medical journal if it fell on their head. The Internet has made it possible to know a tiny bit about practically any topic, but the very headline-and-soundbite nature of it all seems to push people further and further away from actual in-depth study. The things people seem to "know" online about science and health are truly terrifying.

 

[Chas]

Anti vaxxers? Score another point for celebrity culture and the suspension of reason.

Three things alwayx stun me about anti-vaxxers:

1. Their knowledge about research is most often good enough to understand the basic cursory principles- things like sample size, etc.

2. Their ability to use this little knowledge to simultaneously gut research studies they fail to agree with while supporting things that wouldn't qualify as research if Hell Froze Over.

3. Their insistence that researchers are some sort of dogmatic secret cult who are in the pockets of the CDC or The Government is buying them all mercedes and yachets.

Number three in particular pisses me off because if there is a secret cult I was never invited and my free yachet from The Government has yet to be delievered.

That's pretty popular nowadays; you see it in the creationists who argue for high school science classes to be giving equal time to theology. But that is another thread for another time.

It's all about manipulating the facts to suit your personal world view and to cite the "we're just trying to protect the children" reason which is a tested emotionally manipulative tactic that has worked for others. The 'others' I refer to are creationists who insist upon theology being given equal time in high school science classes, or those who want censorship.

People (sheeple) will often chuck their reason out the window when confronted with the "protect the children" gambit.

 

[Tomasso]

Apparently, there's no such thing as an ugly hat.

Yep, particularly when it is a pricy custom job bought online from a FLounge approved/promoted hatter. Be even slightly critical of the hat or the inherently faulty process by which it was acquired and you are shouted down by a few vociferous hatters and their fanboys for being a troll.

 

[Tomasso]

Perhaps we should get to the root of the problem and deal with the malcontents, trolls, and multiple personalities who
have become the "vintage disease" of the Lounge. Sometimes I wonder if there is a cure for such people.

Buy that man a drink.

Ah, the Boys from Marketing pop in to put a quick spin on things. Good to see you, Boys.

 

[Diamondback]

Or perhaps autism is something else? Speaking as an autistic (Asperger's, specifically) myself, I tend to see it as a different "brain architecture" with geniuses, village idiots and everything else in between ranging from Rain Man to Bill Gates or Thomas Jefferson just like the "neurologically typical"--with its attendant differing sets of strengths and weaknesses, and thus IMO the best approach to "treatment" is understanding on both sides: for those not on the autism spectrum to accept that we perceive the world differently and take a little different approach to dealing with, and for us, how to use our strengths, work around our weaknesses, and again to understand the differences and remember that different people require different approaches to dealing with them.

Back in the Golden Era, people were recognized as individuals with individual quirks; today, it seems like everyone has to be pathologized and categorized and medicated into one-size-fits-all and force-fit-square-pegs-into-round-holes sameness.

 

[Foxer55]

Diamondback,

Or perhaps autism is something else? Speaking as an autistic (Asperger's, specifically) myself, I tend to see it as a different "brain architecture" with geniuses, village idiots and everything else in between ranging from Rain Man to Bill Gates or Thomas Jefferson just like the "neurologically typical"--with its attendant differing sets of strengths and weaknesses, and thus IMO the best approach to "treatment" is understanding on both sides: for those not on the autism spectrum to accept that we perceive the world differently and take a little different approach to dealing with, and for us, how to use our strengths, work around our weaknesses, and again to understand the differences and remember that different people require different approaches to dealing with them.

The unknown unknown.

 

[Diamondback]

Also, maybe "Autism Speaks", if they're serious about it being "Time To Listen", could actually try LISTENING to some of us on the more communicative end of the spectrum and having a meaningful dialogue rather than just PRESUMING to speak for everybody with their narrow little mindset? And don't even tee me up by mentioning the radicals at "Eradicate Autistics NOW" (aka "Cure Autism NOW")...

*stepping back from keyboard to curtail rant*

 

[Bruce Wayne]

 

[LoveMyHats2]

Also, maybe "Autism Speaks", if they're serious about it being "Time To Listen", could actually try LISTENING to some of us on the more communicative end of the spectrum and having a meaningful dialogue rather than just PRESUMING to speak for everybody with their narrow little mindset? And don't even tee me up by mentioning the radicals at "Eradicate Autistics NOW" (aka "Cure Autism NOW")...

*stepping back from keyboard to curtail rant*

Not taking away from the serious nature of Autism, but I think for many individuals that do not deal with that in their life or within the family, they may tend to not give a care about something that has not come to their front door! As much as how our society has allowed funds to be abused, we could and should think some deep and serious efforts would be taken to get some advanced research and study done to find the cause of Autism and a real cure, preventative measures as well. From what is being published, (if accurate) the growing numbers of children now being afflicted by Autism should actually for the public, cry out a demand for action. To come up with a cure, and to be able to prevent, could sure lead to many other illness and disease to perhaps have a remedy from the things they could learn and use from a cure for Autism.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

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