The general decline in standards today

[1961MJS]

If it's not questionable and legal, why would some states opt to enact "Stand Your Ground" laws?

Hi

Because in some states (Mass. at least used to be this way) have pretty much zero right to self defense. It SHOULDN'T be necessary, but it seems to help.

Later

 

[scottyrocks]

There is no learning from such experiences. People have been massacring other people almost since time began. Anyone, literally anyone, could pull off a stunt like this at any time and no one would know it was going to happen until it did.

Put more protections in place, and some people yell totalitarianism and police state. Look at the TSA. Don't put them in place and when something happens, people yell why wasn't there more security?

The sheer randomness of such attacks, and the sheer numbers of people in society make it virtually impossible to predict or prevent such events.

 

[PrettySquareGal]

There is no learning from such experiences. People have been massacring other people almost since time began. Anyone, literally anyone, could pull off a stunt like this at any time and no one would know it was going to happen until it did.

Put more protections in place, and some people yell totalitarianism and police state. Look at the TSA. Don't put them in place and when something happens, people yell why wasn't there more security?

The sheer randomness of such attacks, and the sheer numbers of people in society make it virtually impossible to predict or prevent such events.

We can work to reduce the likelihood by discussing how to diminish the aspects of our culture that encourages antisocial behavior and educate ourselves on how to recognize a psychopath in advance. From reading the news, warning signs about this guy were there.

 

[scottyrocks]

The signs are always there. Denial is the gremlin, though. How many thousands of times do things happen right in front of our eyes and we refuse to accept it? How many times do we watch the aftermath some tragedy on TV and then see family members of the perp flat out deny that their 'baby' is capable of such thing? True, this kook's mom turned him out immediately, but that's a very unusual circumstance.

I will say that there are probably many instances where intervention prevented some tragedy but we never hear about those because nothing horrible has happened. That is probably where sheeplady's talents come into play. But these isolated incidents will always occur. There is no way to put a complete halt to it.

 

[LizzieMaine]

Probably not. But the more I read about what happened, the more I think that if any theatre employee had been paying enough attention to notice that a one-way exit door was propped open for more than half an hour after the show started, things in this particular case might have been different.

 

[Feraud]

There is no learning from such experiences. People have been massacring other people almost since time began. Anyone, literally anyone, could pull off a stunt like this at any time and no one would know it was going to happen until it did.

Put more protections in place, and some people yell totalitarianism and police state. Look at the TSA. Don't put them in place and when something happens, people yell why wasn't there more security?

The sheer randomness of such attacks, and the sheer numbers of people in society make it virtually impossible to predict or prevent such events.

The signs are always there. Denial is the gremlin, though. How many thousands of times do things happen right in front of our eyes and we refuse to accept it? How many times do we watch the aftermath some tragedy on TV and then see family members of the perp flat out deny that their 'baby' is capable of such thing? True, this kook's mom turned him out immediately, but that's a very unusual circumstance.

I will say that there are probably many instances where intervention prevented some tragedy but we never hear about those because nothing horrible has happened. That is probably where sheeplady's talents come into play. But these isolated incidents will always occur. There is no way to put a complete halt to it.

Well said. This issue is always more complicated than we expound on after the fact.

Putting a muzzle on opportunistic politicians is a must in these situations.

 

[scottyrocks]

Here's something I found on another discussion board. I am posting it here because it is plausible. It makes too much sense, and opens this up to a whole 'nother discussion.

<< Colorado Batman shooting shows obvious signs of being staged


Quote:
"Reporting.
R.E. Sutherland, M.Ed./sciences
Friday, July 20, 2012
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
(NaturalNews) James Holmes, the Aurora, Colorado shooter who reportedly opened fire at a Batman movie premiere, was a medical student at the University of Colorado, pursuing a PhD in neuroscience, reports ABC News. (U.S. News | National News - Latest Headlines, Videos, Photos - ABC News...)

As part of the attack, Holmes painted his hair red and referred to himself as "The Joker," one of the arch enemies in the DC Comics-inspired Batman movie series. (Police: 12 Dead In Colorado Theater Shooting During Midnight Showing Of New Batman Movie « CBS New York...)

According to news reports, this sudden violent rampage was completely out of character for James Holmes, who was described as "shy."

The New York Times is now reporting:
Billy Kromka, a pre-med student at the University of Colorado, Boulder, worked with Mr. Holmes for three months last summer as a research assistant in a lab of at the Anschutz Medical Campus. Mr. Kromka said he was surprised to learn Mr. Holmes was the shooting suspect. "It was just shocking, because there was no way I thought he could have the capacity to do commit an atrocity like this," he said. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us...ting.html?page...)

"He spent much of his time immersed in the computer, often participating in role-playing online games..."

There is already conjecture that James Holmes may have been involved in mind-altering neuroscience research and ended up becoming involved at a depth he never anticipated. His actions clearly show a strange detachment from reality, indicating he was not in his right mind. That can only typically be accomplished through drugs, hypnosis or trauma (and sometimes all three).

His behavior doesn't add up

His behavior already reveals stark inconsistencies that question the mainstream explanation of events. For example, he opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance. This is not consistent with the idea of "killing everyone."

Furthermore, he then admitted to police that his apartment was booby-trapped with explosives. If you were really an evil-minded Joker trying to kill people (including cops), why would you warn them about the booby trap in advance? It doesn't add up.

"Holmes was taken into custody shortly after the shooting, police said, adding he didn't resist when he was arrested," reports a local CBS news affiliate (Police: 12 Dead In Colorado Theater Shooting During Midnight Showing Of New Batman Movie « CBS New York...).

"After his arrest, Holmes told police about 'possible explosives in his residence,' Oates said. When police searched his apartment, they discovered it was booby-trapped and evacuated surrounding buildings, police said. Oates said bomb technicians are determining how to disarm flammable or explosive material in the third-floor apartment. He said police could be there some time."

None of this checks out. If you're a killer bent on causing mayhem, why tell the police about your surprise bomb waiting for them back at your apartment?

Holmes was clearly provided with exotic gear

Continuing from CBS:

"He said pictures from inside the apartment are fairly disturbing and the devices look to be sophisticated, adding the booby-traps were 'something I've never seen.' One rifle, two handguns, a knife, a bullet proof vest, a ballistic helmet, a gas device, a gas mask, military SWAT clothing and unidentified explosives were also found in Holmes' car, a law enforcement source told CBS News. Oates said Holmes wore a gas mask, a ballistic helmet and vest as well as leg, groin and throat protectors during the shooting."

In other words, this guy was equipped with exotic gear by someone with connections to military equipment. SWAT clothing, explosives, complex booby-traps... c'mon, this isn't a "lone gunman." This is somebody who was selected for a mission, given equipment to carry it out, then somehow brainwashed into getting it done.

"Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said Holmes' apartment is booby-trapped with a 'sophisticated' maze of flammable devices. It could take hours or days for authorities to disarm it," reports Yahoo News (http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/loo...cience-phd-stu...).

UPDATE: (This section added to the story Saturday at 2:30 pm central, July 21, 2012). It is now being reported that exotic, advanced booby-traps have been disarmed at the apartment of James Holmes. The Denver affiliate of CBS News is now reporting: (Crews Hopeful All Major Threats Removed From Booby-Trapped Apartment « CBS Denver...)

Officials say they have removed all major threats at the booby-trapped apartment of the Aurora movie theater shooting suspect on Saturday. They have used a robot to go inside James Holmes' apartment. ...They were able to disable a trip wire that was set to go off when the apartment door was opened. "This is some serious stuff that our team is dealing with..."

Shortly before noon crews were successful performing a controlled detonation... More controlled detonations were possible.

...there were multiple trip wires throughout the apartment. Investigators have also seen what appear to be mortars planted in the apartment -- sort of the kind of mortars that might be seen in a commercial fireworks show. Up to a half dozen of them are scattered around.

...they have seen a number of inflated balloons in the apartment... with many appearing to be filled with a powder. Also linked together are bottles of liquid. ...a strong smell of gasoline emanating from the apartment.

...several boxes on top of the refrigerator and there are lights flashing on the boxes.

...30 aerial shells (fireworks) commercially legally available for purchase. ...the suspect may have filled them with smokeless powder. ...entering the apartment would have caused a trip wire to trigger one liquid container to pour/mix with another. When the two mix together, they set off the main charge of the device which may be additional flammable liquids.

...an enormously dangerous mission. About 100 personnel are on scene.

And the BBC is now reporting: (BBC News - Aurora Batman shootings: 'Explosives cleared' at suspect's home)

Technicians made a first attempt on Friday to disarm the traps, believed to include explosives, but withdrew when it became clear the property was too dangerous to enter. Sgt Carlson said the device was set up to detonate when the first person entered the flat. "We've defeated first threat. It was set up to kill, and that could have been police officers or anything," she said.

FBI has a track record of staging similar assaults, then stopping them at the last minute

This is not your run-of-the-mill crime of passion. It was a carefully planned, heavily funded and technically advanced attack. Who might be behind all this? The FBI, of course, which has a long history of setting up and staging similar attacks, then stopping them right before they happen. See four documented stories on these facts:

New York Times openly admits domestic terror plots masterminded by the FBI
FBI 'entrapment' tactics questioned in web of phony terror plots and paid informants
FBI intercepts its own terrorist plot against US Capitol, Pentagon
FBI nabs five mastermind geniuses after teaching them how to blow up a bridge in Cleveland

As you soak all this in, remember that the FBI had admitted to setting up terror plots, providing the weapons and gear, staging the location of the bombings and even driving the vehicles to pull it off! This is not a conspiracy theory, it's been admitted by the FBI right out in the open. Even the New York Times openly reports all this in stories like this one:

NYT: Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/op...ist-plots-help...)

THE United States has been narrowly saved from lethal terrorist plots in recent years -- or so it has seemed. A would-be suicide bomber was intercepted on his way to the Capitol; a scheme to bomb synagogues and shoot Stinger missiles at military aircraft was developed by men in Newburgh, N.Y.; and a fanciful idea to fly explosive-laden model planes into the Pentagon and the Capitol was hatched in Massachusetts. But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. ...the F.B.I. provided a van loaded with six 55-gallon drums of “inert material,” harmless blasting caps, a detonator cord and a gallon of diesel fuel to make the van smell flammable. An undercover F.B.I. agent even did the driving...

Mystery man Holmes has no background

On top of all this, Holmes apparently has no background. "He's not on anybody's radar screen -- nothing," said a peace officer in a NYT article. "This guy is somewhat of an enigma. Nobody knows anything about him." (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us...-shooting.html)

Mr. Holmes's only criminal history is a traffic summons, the authorities said. He earned a bachelor's degree with honors in neuroscience in 2010 from the University of California, Riverside, and was a graduate student in neurosciences at the University of Colorado at Denver's Anschutz Medical Campus... He was currently collecting unemployment...

Question: How does an unemployed medical student afford $20,000 in weapons gear? >>

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[scottyrocks]

<< If you start to look at the really big picture here, the obvious question arises: How does an unemployed medical student afford all the complex weapons gear, bomb-making gear, "flammable" booby trap devices, ammunition, multiple magazines, bullet-proof vest, groin protection, ballistic helmet, SWAT uniform and all the rest of it?

A decent AR-15 rifle costs $1,000 or more all by itself. The shotgun and handgun might run another $800 total. Spare mags, sights, slings, and so on will run you at least another $1,000 across three firearms. The bullet-proof vest is easily another $800, and the cost of the bomb-making gear is anybody's guess. With all the specialty body gear, ammunition, booby-trap devices and more, I'm guessing this is at least $20,000 in weapons and tactical gear, much of which is very difficult for civilians to get in the first place.

The mere manufacture of an explosive booby-trap device is, all by itself, a felony crime by the way. And remember: "Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said Holmes' apartment is booby-trapped with a 'sophisticated' maze of flammable devices. It could take hours or days for authorities to disarm it," reported Yahoo News (http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/loo...cience-phd-stu...).

Question: Where does an unemployed, introverted medical school student get the training to deploy sophisticated booby traps, tactical body armor, weapons systems and more? Certainly not in graduate school!

All this leads to an obvious third party influence over all this. Someone else taught this guy these skills and funded the acquisition of the equipment.

Note: Some readers have questioned the $20,000 figure estimated here, saying this gear could have been acquired for only $10,000 or so. I doubt that, as all the extras that you need to effectively run these guns cost a lot of money: training courses, spare magazines, etc. Just a decent AR-15 battle sight (a holographic red dot sight) can run $1,000 - $2,000. Search "ACOG" if you don't believe me. It is also reported that Holmes bought 6,000 rounds of ammo, which definitely isn't cheap either. It's clear this guy was spending big bucks. Whether it's $10k or $20k isn't really that much of a point.

Staged just in time for a vote on the UN small arms treaty?

More and more, this shooting is looking like a deliberate plot staged by the government itself much like Operation Fast and Furious pulled off by the ATF (US government openly admits arming Mexican drug gangs with 30,000 firearms - but why?) which helped smuggle tens of thousands of guns into Mexico for the purpose of causing "gun violence" in the USA, then blaming the Second Amendment for it.

All this looks like James Holmes completed a "mission" and then calmly ended that mission by surrendering to police and admitting everything. The mission, as we are now learning, was to cause as much terror and mayhem as possible, then to have that multiplied by the national media at exactly the right time leading up the UN vote next week on a global small arms treaty that could result in gun confiscation across America. (UN Arms Transfer Treaty (ATT) on Small Arms: Gun Grab Gradualism by Thomas Eddlem)

Even Forbes.com wrote about this quite extensively, warning readers about the coming gun confiscation effort related to the UN treaty. The story was authored by Larry Bell (http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybel...reement-should...) and says the UN treaty could "override our national sovereignty, and in the process, provide license for the federal government to assert preemptive powers over state regulatory powers guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment in addition to our Second Amendment rights."

In other words, this has all the signs of Fast & Furious, Episode II. I wouldn't be surprised to discover someone in Washington was behind it all. After all, there's no quicker way to disarm a nation and take total control over the population than to stage violence, blame it on firearms, then call for leaders to "do something!" Such calls inevitably end up resulting in gun confiscation, and it's never too long after that before government genocide really kicks in like we saw with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and other tyrants.

Governments routinely murder millions

Here's a short list of government mass murder carried out throughout history, almost always immediately following the disarmament of the public (and usually involving staged false flag events to justify the disarmament):

50+ million dead: Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50)
12+ million dead: Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) - concentration camps, civilian deaths and dead Russian POWs
8+ million dead: Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908)
6+ million dead: Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39)
5+ million dead: Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44)
2+ million dead: Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-22)
1.7 million dead: Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79)
1.6 million dead: Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94)
1.5 million dead: Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78)
1 million dead: Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970)
900,000 dead: Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982)
800,000 dead: Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994)
See more at:
The worst genocides of the 20th Century

Death by government:
20TH CENTURY DEMOCIDE (Genocide and Mass Murder)
http://www.infowars.com/democide-gov...-260-million-i...

A "monopoly of force" in government is far more dangerous than a crazed lone shooter

So yes, James Holmes and other crazed shooters kill a number of people each year in random acts of violence. It's horrifying and wrong, but it's nothing compared to the millions of lives that governments tend to destroy when they gain total power over the populace.

The most dangerous thing in the world, it turns out, is not a crazy person with a rifle; it's a government with a "monopoly of force" over the entire population. And that's exactly what the UN spells out as its goal for the world: Stripping all power from individual citizens and handing "monopolies of force" to the governments of the world, shoring up their positions as the only "legitimate" power on the planet.

See this document entitled, "Geneva Centre for the Democratic Control of Armed Forces (DCAF)" policy paper No. 24:
http://www.naturalnews.com/files/Rev...onopoly-on-the...

As this document reveals, a table entitled "Governance solutions for reasserting the state monopoly on the use of force" lists the options available to governments to re-establish "monopolies of force" against their own people:

• (Re-)establish state monopoly
- Ownership of WMDs
- Safety Inspectorates

• Prohibit business activity
- Justice and Execution
- Deadly Force?

• Regulate/limit activities
- Private defense/security services
- Control of financial transfers
- Export controls
- Transport and infrastructure safety
- Environmental impact

Interestingly, that document also describes "terrorism" in a way that perfectly matches the Aurora, Colorado "Batman" movie theater shooter:

Terrorists aim to spread panic and fear in societies in order to achieve political goals, be they based on left- or right-wing, social-revolutionary, nationalistic or religious ideologies. They are organized in a clandestine way, most often in small groups and cells... Typical tactical means include kidnapping, hostage-taking, sabotage, murder, suicide attacks, vehicle bombs and improvised explosive devices.

A global monopoly of force

This document is a goldmine of information about the globalist agenda to disarm and enslave the population. Check out page 28, which reads:

The legitimate monopoly of force should not be limited to the nation-state but should be based on the local, national, regional and the global levels.

Global Security Governance and the Monopoly of Force

At the global level no monopoly of violence exists. The UN Security Council already has a monopoly power to authorize the use of force at the global level, although the UN was never given the necessary means to exercise this authority, such as the capacity to implement sanctions, a police force and armed forces...

This deficiency in global governance acts as a bottleneck and a barrier to the creation of the democratically legitimized monopoly of violence that is globally required.

This story gets deep, doesn't it? Watch for more analysis here at NaturalNews.com, where we still fight for liberty and justice in a world that's increasingly becoming enslaved.

UPDATE: Follow-up story now posted that asks the question: Why did not one fight back?

That story is available now at NaturalNews.com:
Why did no one fight back? Questions linger over James Holmes Batman movie theater shooting
>>

 

[St.Ignatz]

I remember available info from Paladin Press probably 20 years ago. We now have the internet. It is possible to have a lone nut job with smarts to accumulate the needed methods.
Tom D.

http://katherineeban.com/index.php/...he-fast-and-furious-scandal-fortune-magazine/

 

[sheeplady]

There is no learning from such experiences. People have been massacring other people almost since time began. Anyone, literally anyone, could pull off a stunt like this at any time and no one would know it was going to happen until it did.

Do you think that there were no lessons in the Japanese Tsunami for the northwestern part of the US? In 9/11 for our emergency responders?

The only thing that I can see that could save lives in this..and most other similar situations is: to have someone 'officially' stationed on scene with the utensiles to immediately take control of the situation. Since this won't and can't happen across the board..it seems that an unofficial source may be the only hope to actually help prevent or stop any sudden damage. Or else we can add more useless bureaucracies of only feel better pacification or senseless rules that only overburden freedoms and lead to more of it for our 'protection'.
I don't really see much serious 'learning' from this event on TV..panels or pundants...but just a rehash of groups that wish to 'use' this tragedy for their own interests. That is what's sad about this up to the minute..special news alert...talking head..callous coverage. It has become a tradition...
HD

I said absolutely nothing about bureaucracies or senseless rules; most of which would focus on full-scale prevention. I was talking about contingency planning and disaster recovery- what you do when an attack or disaster happens to minimize damage. I admit that modern media has little of good use; but you do have the option to turn it all off.

 

[Gin&Tonics]

I remember available info from Paladin Press probably 20 years ago. We now have the internet. It is possible to have a lone nut job with smarts to accumulate the needed methods.
Tom D.

http://katherineeban.com/index.php/...he-fast-and-furious-scandal-fortune-magazine/

Having smarts is one thing, having the cash and connections to amass that kind of military hardware, especially without anyone noticing, is entirely another. This whole thing stinks to high heaven; somebody else is behind this guy. There's no way he did all this by himself.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Do you think that there were no lessons in the Japanese Tsunami for the northwestern part of the US? In 9/11 for our emergency responders?



I said absolutely nothing about bureaucracies or senseless rules; most of which would focus on full-scale prevention. I was talking about contingency planning and disaster recovery- what you do when an attack or disaster happens to minimize damage. I admit that modern media has little of good use; but you do have the option to turn it all off.

Oh..I have most certainly turned it all off...once my favorite news programs have become consumed with the repetitious hourly race to out speculate all others then over play any added drama to keep it all going as long as digustingly possible. I notice you mention reponders and recovery. However...what can be planned to prevent anyone from popping up in a crowd to harm all those around them that they can get their hands on...a blade into...or a bullet. It would need to be someone on scene willing to overpower right then...right now. Or else we wait and notify someone to come and pick up the pieces and track a murderer down after the fact. I just don't see an official protector on site in most scenarios like this. So what do you do? Just dive for cover and crawl..? Throw popcorn at him while he reloads? Remain at his mercy until it's over? Sadly...in this nightmare..it seems that's all anyone could do. The possible remedy isn't a pretty one at all..thus personally unpopular for many. So here we are..again...and heading for the sameold faux remedies that declare that 'hey' everyone must now follow more stringent rules,ignoring just who does and doesn't follow rules.

 

[scottyrocks]

Do you think that there were no lessons in the Japanese Tsunami for the northwestern part of the US? In 9/11 for our emergency responders?

There is a big difference between being educated and prepared for a natural disaster, and an artificial one such as one caused by a human or humans. The similarity is that you really can't stop either one, especially the former. It is how we deal with the aftermath that we either shine or sink.

 

[PrettySquareGal]

Nothing to do with a 'stand your ground law'....but simple 'self defense'. The whole purpose of carrying a weapon. To protect yourself and other innocents from an armed aggressive intruder. When someone is shooting everyone around him it makes perfect sense that he should be stopped by any means possible...and by 'anyone' able. Is this really 'in question'?

Aurora, Colorado already has strict gun control laws on the books that make it:

• Illegal to carry a concealed weapon, even if you're a law-abiding citizen.

• Illegal to discharge a firearm in public unless you are a peace officer.

Thus, any person who would have shot James Holmes and stopped the massacre would, themselves, have been arrested as a criminal!

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036549_Aurora_concealed_carry_gun_confiscation.html#ixzz21R3SsFWG

 

[MikeBravo]

Aurora, Colorado already has strict gun control laws on the books that make it:

• Illegal to carry a concealed weapon, even if you're a law-abiding citizen.

• Illegal to discharge a firearm in public unless you are a peace officer.

Thus, any person who would have shot James Holmes and stopped the massacre would, themselves, have been arrested as a criminal!

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036549_Aurora_concealed_carry_gun_confiscation.html#ixzz21R3SsFWG

One needs to remember that any charges need to go before a court of law. One of the main things to look at is were a person's actions "reasonable in the circumstances".

As far as the second law is concerned, in those circumstances it would have been reasonable to discharge the firearm to save lives. If the concealment law was brought before a court, I doubt any jury would convict the perpetrator (in the circumstances).

 

[PrettySquareGal]

One needs to remember that any charges need to go before a court of law. One of the main things to look at is were a person's actions "reasonable in the circumstances".

As far as the second law is concerned, in those circumstances it would have been reasonable to discharge the firearm to save lives. If the concealment law was brought before a court, I doubt any jury would convict the perpetrator (in the circumstances).

I believe that "illegal" and "reasonable" aren't compatible in the courts. In other words, no matter how much sense an action makes, or lives an action could save, if it's illegal according to the books, no one is above the law.

Anyway, my point is that some states have crazy laws that go against common sense and safety like stopping a massacre with deadly force. I was originally challenged for suggesting otherwise.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Aurora, Colorado already has strict gun control laws on the books that make it:

• Illegal to carry a concealed weapon, even if you're a law-abiding citizen.

• Illegal to discharge a firearm in public unless you are a peace officer.

Thus, any person who would have shot James Holmes and stopped the massacre would, themselves, have been arrested as a criminal!

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036549_Aurora_concealed_carry_gun_confiscation.html#ixzz21R3SsFWG

How sad.
Then that means any citizen is at the complete mercy of an armed criminal if confronted.
Don't stand a chance...............

 

[PrettySquareGal]

How sad.
Then that means any citizen is at the complete mercy of an armed criminal if confronted.
Don't stand a chance...............

Right.

 

[TomS]

Aurora, Colorado already has strict gun control laws on the books that make it:

• Illegal to carry a concealed weapon, even if you're a law-abiding citizen.

• Illegal to discharge a firearm in public unless you are a peace officer.

Thus, any person who would have shot James Holmes and stopped the massacre would, themselves, have been arrested as a criminal!

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036549_Aurora_concealed_carry_gun_confiscation.html#ixzz21R3SsFWG

Hi PSG:

Thanks for including the interesting link, although I suspect it is an inaccurate application of the *spirit* in question. Subsequently, I offer you the following:

• Colorado's criminal laws are commonly called, "TITLE 18. CRIMINAL CODE". The portion of the law which applies to self defense is, "PART 7 - JUSTIFICATION AND EXEMPTIONS FROM CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY".

• Part 7, section 1 states, among other things, " a person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force...".

• Part 7, section 2 states, among other things, "Deadly physical force may be used only if a person reasonably believes a lesser degree of force is inadequate and, the actor has reasonable ground to believe that he or another person is in imminent danger of being killed or of receiving great bodily injury...".

So in other words, in Colorado (or anywhere else in the U.S.) nobody has to wait around to be killed, or watch someone else be killed. Of course, you may get arrested for using a gun to protect yourself, but there is a self defense law that would offer you protection if that happened.

Following me here? It gets a little confusing, but "you might get arrested for using the gun, but you wouldnt go to jai for it" is another way of putting it.

The legal sources that I quoted in presenting my ideas to you can be found at LexisNexis, the official publisher of the Colorado Statutes, here:
http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics...7IV9M42JLQEE,3H2ZKYRTICJIF7KO1&shortheader=no

 

[PrettySquareGal]

Thanks, TomS!