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[Tiki Tom]

Udderly cowfounded.

Fox News has picked up the cattle story. So it must be true!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-cattle-found-dead-tongues-cut

Oooh! The NY Times coverage is even better! It notes The long History of these crimes and the periodic repeat performances.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/22/us/cattle-deaths-texas.html

But seriously. The FBI has investigated prior cases (a true example of the X-Files) and came up with nothing. These bizarre mutilations are really happening and are very well documented. So many questions… mostly the “why” question and of course the “who” of it.

 

[FOXTROT LAMONT]

But seriously. The FBI has investigated prior cases (a true example of the X-Files) and came up with nothing. These bizarre mutilations are really happening and are very well documented. So many questions… mostly the “why” question and of course the “who” of it.

And eye witnesses aren't saying 'Moo' about anything. Looks an inside job. Best guess: a ranch hand easy man
with cattle, knife. A crazed individual out for fun, perhaps other parallel but unrelated occurrences.
The inexplicable weirdness overwhelms but still not beyond human capability.

 

[Tiki Tom]

To be filed in the F.L.A.S.K. Folder titled “The Last Great Adventure”:

I’m not convinced.
In a new study, they were able to look at brain activity in a small group of people as they were dying. In 50% of the cases they noted that the part of the brain related to visual activity lit up as the person died. Basically, the study concludes that near death experiences might be explained as patients dreaming as they pass away.
okay, dreams. Sounds reasonable… but….
Why do so many people across countries and cultures dream Very similar dreams? Tunnel, bright light, seeing dead relatives, etc?
How can evolution explain such a dream mechanism? What are the biological advantages to such a dream mechanism? How are such advantages passed to the next generation and the “No dream“ option not passed on? Or is it random and not related to evolution?
Why do near death experience claimants often say that they saw deceased relatives/friends? If these experiences are only dreams, why don’t they dream about people who are still living?
Plus, understandably, the study had a ridiculously small sample group.
I don’t know what causes near death experiences. But these studies that sometimes come out stating that it’s just the brains normal shut down mechanism (fade to black) leave a lot of questions to be explained.

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/mind-and-spirit/article-741912

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...people-shows-signs-of-near-death-experiences/

 

[FOXTROT LAMONT]

Near death experiences seemingly share a common core that certainly add credence but there is also
an ethereal quality, whether religious or secular, beyond mere corporeal that demand studious consideration.

 

[Lean'n'mean]

When my time comes I hope I'll see my dead dogs. I know it will just be an illusion created by chemical reactions in my brain & my subconscious but if I see relatives I'll probably put up more of a fight before passing to the other side.

 

[Tiki Tom]

Near death experiences seemingly share a common core that certainly add credence but there is also
an ethereal quality, whether religious or secular, beyond mere corporeal that demand studious consideration.

When my time comes I hope I'll see my dead dogs. I know it will just be an illusion created by chemical reactions in my brain & my subconscious but if I see relatives I'll probably put up more of a fight before passing to the other side.

Re: the possibility of non-local consciousness, it’s been said the evidence is as thin as a straw. One straw can easily be snapped, but add enough straws to the bundle and it becomes more difficult to snap the sheaf. So, what evidence (straws) do we have in favor of non-local consciousness, and therefore life after death, ESP, etc?
1. Near Death Experiences. Fairly well documented.
2. Well documented reincarnation cases. See U of VA.
3. Cases of actual dying people reporting what they are seeing; unseen people in the room and so forth. Steve Jobs last words “oh, wow! Oh, wow! Oh, wow!” Among other examples.
4. ESP test data that says the phenomenon is real, but very weak. See Dr Daryl Bem. See also Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR).
5. Terminal Lucidity.
6. Exactly why did Joseph McMoneagle receive the Legion of Merit Medal? Highest non-combat medal. Project Star Gate.
8. Serious Quantum science that questions if “matter” is really what we want to build our worldview upon.
9. Ancient religious/philosophical traditions world wide.
10. Numerous anecdotal stories of people being contacted by the recently dead.

Final cumulative result: Squishy. Strong enough to prod a person to be open to the possibility, but not strong enough to definitely answer the question. Too much is based on anecdotal evidence —which doesn’t necessarily make it untrue, but still. Maybe we have to consider that the universe was designed in such a way as to make it impossible to get to the bottom of this. Make that last sentence point number eleven!

 

[FOXTROT LAMONT]

Philosophy is reasoned with deliberate objective whereas religion is heartfelt belief beyond human reason.
As a Roman Catholic the afterlife and angels, saints, deamons, ghosts, diabolic possession, exorcism-all of it
I take as real. And the thinnest veil separates this world and the next.

As a financial analyst here in London I can look over empirical data to forecast reasonable expectancy,
such as the inverted yield curve between ninety and one hundred eighty day US Treasuries with the price project
of Texas intermediate crude oil, currently at $72-73 as global voiced recessionary augur. But this is all temporal
conjecture, though several colleagues pray, what direction is itself speculative!

 

[Tiki Tom]

Still on the proof of life after death topic:

A friend of mine, with whom I very occasionally have played chess, brought this case to my attention. In short, in 1985 a paranormal enthusiast/investigator came up with the idea of having a living, ranked chess grand master play a dead chess grand master with the help of a medium. The players were Victor Korchnoi and Gaza Maroczy, who was a 1905 champ and died in 1951. The Game took several years And was conducted by mail… using a medium, as already mentioned. The goal was to show evidence that consciousness continues beyond the grave.

Its easy to jump to all kinds of conclusions: for example that the Medium was in contact with a real living Grand Master who coached him through the game (this was before computers existed that could play at that level.)… And yet… for what possible motive? No money was involved. Why would a living expert risk his reputation on such a stunt? And —experts agree— that the game was played at a super high level. Very curious.

The link below is from a Skeptical website, so as not to skew the arguments towards mumbo-jumbo. What’s interesting is that, if you read the skeptical responses, they are ALMOST as far fetched as the original proposition..

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120669

To be sure, I have never been a fan of “mediums.” Too much room for fraud. Yet, it is sometimes argued that some of them appear genuine. Not my dog fight.

But, maybe it’s because I’m a chess amateur, the above weirdness tickled my imagination.

 

[FOXTROT LAMONT]

^ Tik, if you haven't seen The Queen's Gambit please do so as it's a marvelous Chess set series.

 

[Tiki Tom]

^^^^
Agreed. A great show. OMG, those eyes! I especially liked the ending (no spoilers).

 

[FOXTROT LAMONT]

Its end was absolutely perfect. And I thought the series a very improved version of the book.

 

[Tiki Tom]

As is well known around here, I am always on the lookout for strange tales originating in the American desert southwest. The vast deserts out there offer plenty of room to Hide some pretty weird and mysterious stuff. Just off the top of my head, I can remember the following topics coming up: feral herds of camels, lost goldmines, pterodactyl sightings (and shoot downs!), unknown creatures, and a mysterious church stairwell built by Joseph himself. Here’s another head scratcher. I’m surprised that I haven’t heard of it before now…

In the 1920s, an average person discovered some led artifacts buried in the ground outside of Tucson, Arizona. Officials from the university even helped excavate the find. About 30 objects were unearthed: crosses, swords, etc. Some were well and truly buried rather deep… and, apparently, not recently. Most bizarrely the artifacts had Latin and Hebrew writing on them, including dates from about 750ad to 900 ad, or so. Very strange stuff.

Of course, experts Assumed they were hoaxes. That said, the guy who stumbled across them was cleared of involvement. Some say the Latin and Hebrew was very good (some disputed that). But why would a hoaxer go to all the trouble of creating 30 of these objects (weighing a total of 150 lbs) and then bury them in the desert? In the middle of nowhere? Recent tests suggest that they were indeed in the ground a long time. The artifacts can be seen in Tucson to this day. I can understand why serious archaeologists and academics would not touch this with a ten foot pole.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-other-artifacts/tucson-artifacts-0011720

https://calalus.com/fifty-facts-tucson-artifacts/

Just another mystery from the haunted and unexplored desert southwest. In its own way, it’s a fascinating story.

Oh! Now look at this: “The los lunas decalogue stone”. Crazy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Lunas_Decalogue_Stone

 

[Hurricane Jack]

As is well known around here, I am always on the lookout for strange tales originating in the American desert southwest. The vast deserts out there offer plenty of room to Hide some pretty weird and mysterious stuff. Just off the top of my head, I can remember the following topics coming up: feral herds of camels, lost goldmines, pterodactyl sightings (and shoot downs!), unknown creatures, and a mysterious church stairwell built by Joseph himself. Here’s another head scratcher. I’m surprised that I haven’t heard of it before now…

In the 1920s, an average person discovered some led artifacts buried in the ground outside of Tucson, Arizona. Officials from the university even helped excavate the find. About 30 objects were unearthed: crosses, swords, etc. Some were well and truly buried rather deep… and, apparently, not recently. Most bizarrely the artifacts had Latin and Hebrew writing on them, including dates from about 750ad to 900 ad, or so. Very strange stuff.

Of course, experts Assumed they were hoaxes. That said, the guy who stumbled across them was cleared of involvement. Some say the Latin and Hebrew was very good (some disputed that). But why would a hoaxer go to all the trouble of creating 30 of these objects (weighing a total of 150 lbs) and then bury them in the desert? In the middle of nowhere? Recent tests suggest that they were indeed in the ground a long time. The artifacts can be seen in Tucson to this day. I can understand why serious archaeologists and academics would not touch this with a ten foot pole.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-other-artifacts/tucson-artifacts-0011720

https://calalus.com/fifty-facts-tucson-artifacts/

Just another mystery from the haunted and unexplored desert southwest. In its own way, it’s a fascinating story.

Oh! Now look at this: “The los lunas decalogue stone”. Crazy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Lunas_Decalogue_Stone

If you float the lower San Juan River in the 4 Corners area you will see lots of archeological signs of earlier civilizations. Your links on the artifacts bring back interest in the Grand Canyon Egyptian artifacts (& possible underground city) now held by The Smithsonian (& the location is off limits by the US gov’t), & the Navajo oral history of the Place of Emergence.

https://www.si.edu/object/surprising-link-between-grand-canyon-and-ancient-egypt:yt_lFk6P6FxsJY

https://open.maricopa.edu/worldmyth...e-story-of-the-emergence-from-navajo-legends/

 

[FOXTROT LAMONT]

As is well known around here, I am always on the lookout for strange tales originating in the American desert southwest. The vast deserts out there offer plenty of room to Hide some pretty weird and mysterious stuff. Just off the top of my head, I can remember the following topics coming up: feral herds of camels, lost goldmines, pterodactyl sightings (and shoot downs!), unknown creatures, and a mysterious church stairwell built by Joseph himself. Here’s another head scratcher. I’m surprised that I haven’t heard of it before now…

In the 1920s, an average person discovered some led artifacts buried in the ground outside of Tucson, Arizona. Officials from the university even helped excavate the find. About 30 objects were unearthed: crosses, swords, etc. Some were well and truly buried rather deep… and, apparently, not recently. Most bizarrely the artifacts had Latin and Hebrew writing on them, including dates from about 750ad to 900 ad, or so. Very strange stuff.

Of course, experts Assumed they were hoaxes. That said, the guy who stumbled across them was cleared of involvement. Some say the Latin and Hebrew was very good (some disputed that). But why would a hoaxer go to all the trouble of creating 30 of these objects (weighing a total of 150 lbs) and then bury them in the desert? In the middle of nowhere? Recent tests suggest that they were indeed in the ground a long time. The artifacts can be seen in Tucson to this day. I can understand why serious archaeologists and academics would not touch this with a ten foot pole.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-other-artifacts/tucson-artifacts-0011720

https://calalus.com/fifty-facts-tucson-artifacts/

Just another mystery from the haunted and unexplored desert southwest. In its own way, it’s a fascinating story.

Oh! Now look at this: “The los lunas decalogue stone”. Crazy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Lunas_Decalogue_Stone

Tik, All very interesting, however deadlocked stuck neutral.

The Egyptian bugaboo now mixed Roman Latin throws it away. Hyerdahl showed the papyrhus boat wouldn't float all ways to America, and a trek to SW USA no ways. I believe Vikings had sail and stones for deep sea search but mainly a magazine that exists to reap literary profit has vested interest in propogating drivel. And it's not separating wheat from chaff so much it's separating dung from manure.

 

[Tiki Tom]

Great conversation. I’m intrigued by the fact that there are so many tales (tall and otherwise) that speculate that the New World was stumbled upon long before Columbus or the Vikings. I once read an article —that I no longer can locate— about a Roman Long Boat that accidentally was swept into Brazilian waters by predominant ocean currents. Vikings penetrating deep into North America? Native tales of pre-Colombian pale faced ”gods” sailing in from the East? Ancient Chinese anchors found in the waters of California? Tales of Irish monks discovering the East Coast? Egyptian relics along the Colorado River? There are tons of enticing stories out there.

One of my favorites is that the ancient Polynesians made it all the way across the Pacific to the California coast. And there is even a drop of actual evidence to support it: California Chumash indians built sophisticated sewn canoes that are very similar to Polynesian canoes and the Chumash word for these canoes is remarkably similar to the Polynesian word:

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Did-ancient-Polynesians-visit-California-Maybe-2661327.php

It is an interesting hypothesis.
I think that, as our understanding of the capabilities of the ancients grow, we may well discover that there was “contact” much earlier than is currently acknowledge. Not to say that there aren’t also a lot of hoaxes and wild fictitious stories out there.

 

[Tiki Tom]

 

[Tiki Tom]

Heads up!
Secretive ”Masters of the Universe” (The Bilderberg Group) are meeting in Lisbon 18 May through 21 May.
What is on their REAL agenda?

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/bil...oogle-join-ai-talks-at-secretive-meeting.html

https://bilderbergmeetings.org/meetings/meeting-2023/press-release-2023

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-13682082

 

[FOXTROT LAMONT]

Heads up!
Secretive ”Masters of the Universe” (The Bilderberg Group) are meeting in Lisbon 18 May through 21 May.
What is on their REAL agenda?

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/bil...oogle-join-ai-talks-at-secretive-meeting.html

https://bilderbergmeetings.org/meetings/meeting-2023/press-release-2023

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-13682082

The world as we know it is evolving as we speak. The Russian bear looks at Kiev, Nietzsche's glove clenched in its teeth.
Russian destruction of Ukrainian grain and its Potash embargo spell famine doom for North Africa and sub Sahara; millions may starve and next year hunger will spread from eastern Europe to Southeast Asia.
The American dollar isn't going away and futile attempt by Beijing and Moscow to dethrone it reflect poorly
those simpletons. A professional grouping to discuss business, law, war and peace is natural and hardly abnormal. Wish I were there.

 

[Tiki Tom]

Wish I were there.

Me too. And it seems that we are in good company. The CIA has apparently been interested in the Bilderberg Group for Years. These are just the declassified references…

https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/feb/27/bilderberg-cia/

 

[FOXTROT LAMONT]

Christians in Action. I spent some time while in service with Intelligence Corps as staff officer.
An analyst and brief specialist, I had to gather facts and brew the tempests in teapot with toast, marmalade,
hard boiled coffee for brass and occasional politicians. Bilderberg and Burning Tree events, some other groups.
The best of the best concerned American female naval staff officers possessing high security clearances and supplementing salary for sexual favor inside courtesan circle. The work was demanding and quite naturally
I'd rather have been back with my boys at Aldershot and the parachute regiment but somebody needs to do the rough stuff.