Smoke-easies

[Marc Chevalier]

Smoke anywhere you want, as long the smoke isn't near enough to reach me.


In Santiago, a spoiled teenage girl decided to smoke in the municipal bus I was riding in. (Surprisingly, this is illegal in Chile.) I asked her to lend me her cigarette; she thought I was going to use it to light one of my own. Instead, I slowly ground her cig into the floor of the bus, putting it out. I then read aloud to her the sign indicating that smoking was prohibited by law on public buses. She blubbered. I ignored her.

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[jamespowers]

Smoke anywhere you want, as long the smoke isn't near enough to reach me. I smoke my pipes far away from nonsmokers. In fact, I usually smoke alone in a quiet park, or in the woods. Best places to do it, IMO.

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In a park?! In the Woods?! You fiend! You are subjecting poor unsuspecting children to your second hand stink in the park and hurting our poor woodland friends in the forest. How will the squirrels get that stench out of their fur coats and the birds with their feathers. :eusa_doh: Oh the humanity! You, you, smoker you.

Regards,

J

 

[Marc Chevalier]

I smoke my pipes far away from nonsmokers. In fact, I usually smoke alone in a quiet park, or in the woods. Best places to do it, IMO.

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[Marc Chevalier]

In a park?! In the Woods?! You fiend! You are subjecting poor unsuspecting children to your second hand stink in the park ...

Naturally, I do it where there aren't kids around. Do you smoke in front of your baby?

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[jamespowers]

Naturally, I do it where there aren't kids around. Do you smoke in front of your baby?

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How do you know a child five mailes away isn't affected by the second hand smoke as it is carried on the wind? He could get asthma or bronchitis---all because of you in the park. :eusa_doh:
What about the poor animals who are subjected to your smoke in the woods---you conveniently forgot to mention? The flies, grasshoppers and gnats that you can't see are being affected every second you smoke. :eusa_doh: Its a disaster. They are all going to die! You murderer you!

Regards,

J

 

[jake_fink]

I love how it's okay to stuff your stink into someone else's face whether they want it or not and if they object they are the Nazi. Pathetic.

I do miss, though, the smoking room at my tobaccanist's. It was a long, cool space with dark wood, leather furniture and newspapers and magazines to read while you enjoyed a cigar (so long as it was purchased there). They supplied complimentary espresso or pop and the staff were freindly if you were in a mood to chat. It was great, and to me it makes more sense than sucking on one cigarette after another for as many hours as you're awake. Where's the pleasure in that?

Now that even smoking rooms at tobacco shops are not allowed I have only my garage - not a nice place to smoke in a Canadian February - or the nearby woods and parks which are even less savoury until the snow has all melted and the winter accretion of doggy doo is removed... Now that's an idea! Cats and dogs should be made illegal. Some people actually live with animals IN THEIR HOUSE!! That's just so wrong. lol

 

[Marc Chevalier]

...even smoking rooms at tobacco shops are not allowed ...

And that's very, very wrong. I fully support the existence of smoking rooms at tobacco shops. They serve a good purpose and keep smokers away from nonsmokers ... and vice-versa. Can't understand why anyone would have anything against tobacco shops having smoking rooms.

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[jake_fink]

And that's very, very wrong. I fully support the existence of smoking rooms at tobacco shops. They serve a good purpose and keep smokers away from nonsmokers ... and vice-versa. Can't understand why anyone would have anything against tobacco shops having smoking rooms.

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Me neither.

By the way, how can I stop THAT from happening to me?

 

[jamespowers]

I love how it's okay to stuff your stink into someone else's face whether they want it or not and if they object they are the Nazi. Pathetic.

Now who in this thread said that? What is being brought up is that cigarette smoke is like anything else--let people choose. If you want to have a business that caters to the smoking then go ahead and let the marketplace decide. There is room for both. Your smokingroom is an example of that.
However some nanny has decided that they know better than you and has made a blanket declaration so that no one can smoke in any establishment. It makes no sense. :eusa_doh: [huh]

Regards,

J

 

[jake_fink]

Now who in this thread said that? What is being brought up is that cigarette smoke is like anything else--let people choose. If you want to have a business that caters to the smoking then go ahead and let the marketplace decide. There is room for both. Your smokingroom is an example of that.
However some nanny has decided that they know better than you and has made a blanket declaration so that no one can smoke in any establishment. It makes no sense. :eusa_doh: [huh]

Regards,

J

I'm not referring to anyone in the thread, just musing on the article and the Nico-Nazi appellation which is also used frequently here in my city.

Of course when less than 20% of the population over the age of fiteen are now smokers it follows that public spaces will become increasingly smokeless, whether the market or the nanny decides. I am torn though. I loved that smoking room, but I hated going out to a restaurant or bar that was filled with cigarette smoke.

 

[Baron Kurtz]

I would ask those who favor the bans....why not push for crminialization. To hear you all, who hate tobacco, and smoking, why not make it illegal for us to foul your hair and clothes? That would take guts.

Exactly the advice just given to the british government by some medicos - to put alcohol and tobacco above ecstacy and marijuana on the dangerous drugs list . . . frankly i agree.

bk

 

[jamespowers]

Exactly the advice just given to the british government by some medicos - to put alcohol and tobacco above ecstacy and marijuana on the dangerous drugs list . . . frankly i agree.

bk

Alcohol and tobacco worse than ecstacy and marijuanna?! OK.[huh]
Glad it ain't gonna happen here. They tried half that once and it didn't work very well.

Regards,

J

 

[scotrace]

Of course when less than 20% of the population over the age of fiteen are now smokers it follows that public spaces will become increasingly smokeless,

Aha!

We need to get more people hooked.... lol

 

[Elaina]

While alcohol and tobacco may not be the healthiest ones around, I'd still rather smoke and deal with a drunk then a pot head or someone on ecstasy. I've done both, and experience tells me which was a better out come.

I think the Nazi comment is a joke, compared to Seinfeld's Soup Nazi, and many non smokers pass from polite "I don't smoke, please don't smoke around me" to being raving lunatics with an agenda. I, as a smoker, am generally polite about it until confronted with one of those that decide that courtesy doesn't have to happen because I (oh the horror!) have a pack in my hand, most often not even a lit one.

 

[jake_fink]

Aha!

We need to get more people hooked.... lol

Bring back Joe Camel. Or better still, Sanjaya Camel!

 

[jamespowers]

Aha!

We need to get more people hooked.... lol

More smokers more tax money.

 

[Jay]

I think tobacco companies should just threaten to stop selling cigarettes in a state where a smoking ban is proposed. I don't think the state would appreciate having such a big source of income (what with the outrageous taxes) cut off.

 

[Feraud]

Bring back Joe Camel. Or better still, Sanjaya Camel!

Why does this picture remind me of your avatar!

 

[Bebop]

Can anyone site any legitimat study that proves being around smoke for a couple of hours like in a bar or better yet outdoors at a park (where it is illegal to smoke in San Francisco) has a detrimental effect on anyone not allergic to tobacco smoke? Or how about smoking in front of children? Most cities make it seem that it is as bad to smoke around children as it would be to watch pornography around them. I am not talking about blowing smoke in their face. Just smoking in the vicinity. There is no proof that a child can't take watching a smoker enjoy themself. Bah, bring back the good old days when my grandfather would smoke his pipe while I sat on his lap to listen to some jazz.

 

[jake_fink]

Can anyone site any legitimat study that proves being around smoke for a couple of hours like in a bar or better yet outdoors at a park (where it is illegal to smoke in San Francisco) has a detrimental effect on anyone not allergic to tobacco smoke? Or how about smoking in front of children? Most cities make it seem that it is as bad to smoke around children as it would be to watch pornography around them. I am not talking about blowing smoke in their face. Just smoking in the vicinity. There is no proof that a child can't take watching a smoker enjoy themself. Bah, bring back the good old days when my grandfather would smoke his pipe while I sat on his lap to listen to some jazz.

I think the main argument for restricting second hand smoke is not so much to protect the patron, but the person working in the smoke-filled environment, in other words people who have prolonged and not always voluntary exposure.

Regarding children viewing smoking, as far as I know that may be discouraged but it is not illegal even here. However, if smoking is a health risk and it does represent the kind of behaviour you'd rather not see your children emulating, and given that children are likely to end up emulating parental behaviours more often than not, it might be something some parents wouldn't want to do around their children.

As far as studies go, here is a paper by the Ontario Medical Association, not an advocacy group (per se) and not a tobacco company, so relatively objective.

https://www.oma.org/Health/tobacco/2ndsmoke.asp

Now I'm outta here. Have fun.