Rabbit, thanks for the info. The navy British suit has a very deep waistband, doesn't it? The hem width I note is one inch less than the knee, and the rise front and back look just like mine. From thigh downwards we have a two inch narrowing, which looks right, to avoid the flare appearance. I have an old Austin Reed that looks like a flare, but isn't, probably because it is straight. I appreciate the information -- all grist for the mill. The navy pants really hang well. I notice that you wear brown shoes with them -- very traditional: I have noticed in books of the interwar and post war period that brown shoes or boots were usually worn, regardless of suit colour. My waist is 34 inch, so the top of the high rise waist band would be 37, logically, but on my trousers it is 36. I have a narrow rib cage. Thanks again. This subject is a lifelong study.