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[Feraud]

As much as we all like patterned ties sometimes you need a good solid color to go with that houndstooth or other patterned sportscoat.
The first is labeled Melbroke and the other Pilgrim. The colors are a deep hunter green and a military “pinks”.

 

[Marc Chevalier]

They're 1940s-early '50s.

 

[dhermann1]

I'd agree with Marc. It's always very helpful to see the backs of the ties. Vintage ties will not have that label across the back that you can slide the other end of the tie through. (Gak!) They'll have the label on the back of the large side at the end. If you see things like "Resilient Construction", or "Arrow", that's a tip off.
Feraud proved in an earlier post that what seems like a psychedelic era tie to us, can actually be much older. Also, the proportions of these ties are totally vintage.
That's quite a nice trove of vintage ties, actually!

 

[Feraud]

Never judge a tie by it's pattern.

 

[Marc Chevalier]

Never judge a tie by it's pattern.

True: http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=14206




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[Quigley Brown]

A few late-50s and one early-60s holiday ties...

Reindeer

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sparkly silver

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gold and silver shiney threads

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some bank...

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[lci419]

Thanks for the responses, guess I'll just "wait and see" when they arrive and I can examine them more closely. May end up reselling some. Neckties are a real weak point in my collecting knowledge. So many patterns...so little documentable info other than educated speculation/observation. While photos and pictures are helpful, there is just no way to account for the millions of patterns that existed.

 

[tonyb]

Just a tad off topic, but ...

Why do y'all suppose they literally don't make ties the way they used to? I've acquired a pretty fair stash of old ties over the past coupla-three years (30 or 40 of 'em, I'd guess), and it's gotten so I can usually spot a vintage (as in pre-1960s, say) tie from 20 feet away. It's not just the widths and proportions and patterns, although that's often part of it. The old ties were shorter, generally, than the modern ones, the narrow ends were wider and had a much more pronounced flare, and the wide ends were usually finished off with just a row of machine stitching, with very little fabric folded over.

 

[Feraud]

So many patterns...so little documentable info other than educated speculation/observation. While photos and pictures are helpful, there is just no way to account for the millions of patterns that existed.

When your ties arrive post pictures of the labels, backside of both ends of the ties, length, width, etc. and someone here will absolutely be able to identify when it was made. You are in the midst of some serious collectors!


I just received a burgundy stripe/fade number. I hope my camera can pick up the detail. It's a great looking tie.

 

[Widebrim]

Vintage ties will not have that label across the back that you can slide the other end of the tie through. (Gak!)

That depends on what you consider vintage. The "SLIDE THROUGH HERE" device actually goes back to at least the mid '50s.

 

[Widebrim]

Just a tad off topic, but ...

Why do y'all suppose they literally don't make ties the way they used to? I've acquired a pretty fair stash of old ties over the past coupla-three years (30 or 40 of 'em, I'd guess), and it's gotten so I can usually spot a vintage (as in pre-1960s, say) tie from 20 feet away. It's not just the widths and proportions and patterns, although that's often part of it. The old ties were shorter, generally, than the modern ones, the narrow ends were wider and had a much more pronounced flare, and the wide ends were usually finished off with just a row of machine stitching, with very little fabric folded over.

There's a long history to the answer, but...Ties were shorter at one time primarily because men usually wore vests with their suits (plus, jackets were constructed to button up high), so tie ends were often never seen (unless you were in the military and not wearing a jacket). After WWII, civilian jackets began to be buttoned lower, and vests were no longer obligatory, so neckties got a little longer (and wilder). When ties began to get narrower in the early/mid '50s, the stiching changed due to construction considerations (and this affected the rear or "narrow" blade, also). Withe the late '60s came the increase in fabric, which, along with the larger width, contributed to the thickness that we associate with most modern neckties.

 

[Widebrim]

As much as we all like patterned ties sometimes you need a good solid color to go with that houndstooth or other patterned sportscoat.
The first is labeled Melbroke and the other Pilgrim. The colors are a deep hunter green and a military “pinks”.

I don't favor solids, either, but I do like those, Feraud!

 

[Feraud]

Thanks Widebrim.
Wool ties like those I posted have a great feel to them.
Here is my recent one. The wide end needs a pressing but it's in vg condition.

 

[Widebrim]

Thanks Widebrim.
Wool ties like those I posted have a great feel to them.
Here is my recent one. The wide end needs a pressing but it's in vg condition.

I like the color scheme, Feraud. What do you think, early '50s?

 

[dhermann1]

My guess would be just about 1956. That's about when ties and lapels started their zoom from very wide to very narrow.

 

[Feraud]

I like the color scheme, Feraud. What do you think, early '50s?

I could be very wrong but I think earlier.
The tie measures 47" x 3.5" and based on the construction I would have guessed 30s.

 

[jamespowers]

I could be very wrong but I think earlier.
The tie measures 47" x 3.5" and based on the construction I would have guessed 30s.

Thaqt would be about my assessment as well.

 

[Marc Chevalier]

Thaqt would be about my assessment as well.

Yes, it's early 1930s. That particular "Arrow Cravat" label/logo was used specifically (and uniquely) for its Canadian market ties.


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[Widebrim]

I should have know, based on the construction, but gave into the temptation to choose early '50s.:eusa_doh: Didn't know that about the Canadian market label, Marc. Thanks.

 

[lci419]

Tie Update

Well, I finally got my ties in. Just to recap, here is the whole group.

For ID purposes I'll number them 1-6 from left to right.

Here is the back side of #4 (l.) and #1 (r.)

#4 has no tags or markings. It is 2 1/2" wide on the narrow end; 4" wide on the wide end; and 52" long.

#1 is marked "Country Tones" on the wide end; is 2 1/4" wide on the narrow end; 4 1/2" wide on the wide end; and 49" long.


This is the lable for #2.

Lable reads "L. Strauss & Co., Inc. Indianapolis" and is located on the narrow end which is 2 1/2" wide; the wide end is 4" wide; and is 51" long.


This is the lable for #5.

The lable reads "Cohama California Swagger by Carter & Holmes" which is on the narrow end which is 2 1/2" wide; the wide end is 4 1/2" wide; and is 50" long.


This is the label for #6.

It is on the narrow end which is 2 1/2" wide and reads "Resilient Construction Towncraft DeLuxe Cravat Fabric Loomed in the U.S.A."; the wide end is 4" wide; and is 52" long.

#3 has no tags or markings; is 2 3/4" wide on the narrow end; 4" wide on the wide end; and 51" long.


Additionally, none of the ties has any sort of loop on the backside to feed the narrow end through. So what does everyone think?