Show us your SHOES !!!

[LoveMyHats2]

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[LoveMyHats2]

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Spade sole Alligator and Suede Foot Joys. NOS, Perfect, a great score for my Husband.

 

[countryclubjoe]

HI CCJ,

lovely finds these ones. I believe them to be late 60's (67/68) as the heels are still low (mid 70s' it was all very high or higher heels and soles). Also the rounded copper eyelettes, wider toe and they go with the ganster theme that was popular during that time period due to the 1967 Bonnie and Glyde film. Also The Beatles MAgical Mistery Tour Paul wears something similar to these if I remember correctly (1967). I would thus date them 67/68 rather than 70's IMO.

Hope this helps

Claudio

Thank you kind Sir for the information.. I am always looking to learn.
Regards.

 

[countryclubjoe]

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Spade sole Alligator and Suede Foot Joys. NOS, Perfect, a great score for my Husband.

Outstanding!

 

[ChrisT]

I love theses shoes

 

[Tomasso]

"You can do anything but lay off my blue suede shoes"

Them are some beauts!

LMH2, any chance of you posting a pic of the sole? Cookie gets cranky when he can't see the sole.

 

[ChrisT]

"You can do anything but lay off my blue suede shoes"

But don't you step on my blue suede shoes! :eusa_clap

 

[LoveMyHats2]

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Spade sole Alligator and Suede Foot Joys. NOS, Perfect, a great score for my Husband.

The actual color of these is not as light a blue as the pictures, the flash made it appear so light a color. These are so dark blue when you first observe them, they appear to be black. In Sun light you can tell they are a dark Navy blue.

 

[LoveMyHats2]

"You can do anything but lay off my blue suede shoes"

Them are some beauts!

LMH2, any chance of you posting a pic of the sole? Cookie gets cranky when he can't see the sole.

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I know our good friend, "Cookie" would have already known what these shoes sole's look like. I can about bet he has a few pairs like these. Cookie owns some super outstanding shoes. So, here is a picture of the sole of these shoes.

I have already begun the conditioner treatment of these, as they are somewhat dry. I have to pay attention to the alligator, if it does not have a good amount of conditioner on it, perhaps it would crack and crease up upon these shoes being worn. So, Cadillac to the rescue! That and also as these shoes are a bit narrow and actually short, (they are marked a size 11 1/2 B) but in comparing the shoes to even a pair of 10 1/2 D, they are slightly slimmer than the 10 1/2 D. To correct the tight issue, they will get a double plastic freezer bag that the inside of the two bags is filled with water, tied off and then the shoes go into the freezer for about 5 hours. The water freezing will expand slightly, and the too tight issue is solved. After everything else is done, the Alligator will get one more thin coat of conditioner, then to the final steps. Cream paste and polish them up and some polish that is regular wax polish on the soles to help seal them up a bit. (The soles are already soaking up conditioner).

 

[Isshinryu101]

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I know our good friend, "Cookie" would have already known what these shoes sole's look like. I can about bet he has a few pairs like these. Cookie owns some super outstanding shoes. So, here is a picture of the sole of these shoes.

I have already begun the conditioner treatment of these, as they are somewhat dry. I have to pay attention to the alligator, if it does not have a good amount of conditioner on it, perhaps it would crack and crease up upon these shoes being worn. So, Cadillac to the rescue! That and also as these shoes are a bit narrow and actually short, (they are marked a size 11 1/2 B) but in comparing the shoes to even a pair of 10 1/2 D, they are slightly slimmer than the 10 1/2 D. To correct the tight issue, they will get a double plastic freezer bag that the inside of the two bags is filled with water, tied off and then the shoes go into the freezer for about 5 hours. The water freezing will expand slightly, and the too tight issue is solved. After everything else is done, the Alligator will get one more thin coat of conditioner, then to the final steps. Cream paste and polish them up and some polish that is regular wax polish on the soles to help seal them up a bit. (The soles are already soaking up conditioner).

Do not use Cadillac conditioner on alligator. It will weaken the skin between the tiles. Use specialized reptile conditioners.

Bad idea to freeze reptile leather as well. They do not expand and contract uniformly like regular calf does. The skin between the tiles is the only place where they will expand... and that can lead to cracking. Be careful not to stretch the alligator... again, it will cause cracks between the tiles. No cream paste or polish on alligator... only reptile conditioner.

 

[Isshinryu101]

Here are those shoes in black. I love them.

 

[LoveMyHats2]

Well now, the Caddy conditioner states it is great for all leather, including the exotic alligator, have used it before not noticed any negatives from it yet. However, I will more than likely order some Saphir brand gator skin care products, as I am sure they do make the best for that, also some of their suede shampoo cleaner and conditioner.

The shoes came out of the freezer just fine. The water bags did not extend under the gator on the shoe, as that area was filled with compacted plastic bags, the water bags only have way down the shoe. It worked just fine the shoes fit Daniel perfectly. They were maybe about 1/8th of an inch tight and now are at least that much loose. We do have mechanical shoe stretchers, but this was more safe to do with the water.

I think these style, model of which Foot Joy and Nettleton has one exactly the same (other than the sole pattern is slightly different) really brings all the shoe elements of the desired style of the time period. You have the spade sole, somewhat a two tone spectator look with them, the suede is amazing, the alligator and that they are a cap toe, with that famous shape only Foot Joy seems to capture on the top of the toe box. The shoes scream, "wear me"! Tomorrow I pick up some clothing items from the Tailor, which will match these shoes like black and white bars on a convict's jumper!

Oddly enough, I had already purchased a Pipe for Daniel that has an "alligator" appearance on the outer finish, and it is also such a dark blue you would think it is black! Now all he needs is a pair of these in another color. Life is another quest....shoes...hats...more shoes.....lol!

 

[LoveMyHats2]

Here are those shoes in black. I love them.

Yes indeed you have the same in black. Rex model. PLEASE inform Cookie to find some socks like the ones you have on! If you are going to be all jazzed up with some great glam shoes, great socks are a must. Yours are doing the job fine.

So sell me some shoes.......

 

[Isshinryu101]

Well now, the Caddy conditioner states it is great for all leather, including the exotic alligator, have used it before not noticed any negatives from it yet. However, I will more than likely order some Saphir brand gator skin care products, as I am sure they do make the best for that, also some of their suede shampoo cleaner and conditioner.

The shoes came out of the freezer just fine. The water bags did not extend under the gator on the shoe, as that area was filled with compacted plastic bags, the water bags only have way down the shoe. It worked just fine the shoes fit Daniel perfectly. They were maybe about 1/8th of an inch tight and now are at least that much loose. We do have mechanical shoe stretchers, but this was more safe to do with the water.

I think these style, model of which Foot Joy and Nettleton has one exactly the same (other than the sole pattern is slightly different) really brings all the shoe elements of the desired style of the time period. You have the spade sole, somewhat a two tone spectator look with them, the suede is amazing, the alligator and that they are a cap toe, with that famous shape only Foot Joy seems to capture on the top of the toe box. The shoes scream, "wear me"! Tomorrow I pick up some clothing items from the Tailor, which will match these shoes like black and white bars on a convict's jumper!

Oddly enough, I had already purchased a Pipe for Daniel that has an "alligator" appearance on the outer finish, and it is also such a dark blue you would think it is black! Now all he needs is a pair of these in another color. Life is another quest....shoes...hats...more shoes.....lol!

The freezer treatment didn't harm your gator skin because it is located only on the lacing, heel counter & toecap. 3 areas that do not routinely flex when wearing shoes. If you ever deal with gator on the vamp, please skip this treatment. This is from experience. The tiles themselves do not stretch, only the spaces of skin between. These are fragile and WILL pull apart if stretched. You may not see the damage right away, but a day of wearing the shoes will reveal it clearly.

The Nettleton version is a bit different shapewise. The Yarmouth (Nettleton's model) generally has less of a spade point on the inside and is a touch less curvy. Still a very nice last, but I prefer the Fotjoy.

 

[LoveMyHats2]

I purchased about 35 Publications recently for Daniel, these are all on a CD and are mostly from the 1860's to about 1920. Each one is regarding shoes and boots, making them, making the leather, history of everything you can think of about boots and shoes, factory information, repairs, how to make everything to make a boot or shoe, including how to tan and make your own "dye" for coloring. I will have to purchase a few blank CD's and copy these as they are all in a PDF file format. Daniel wanted to have me send one to you and one to Cookie. In just reading a few of these publications, I can see that some very serious design and work has been put into the shoe and boot making industry. A goal for Daniel is still to take courses and make shoes and boots. He already has everything to do so, just needs the courses!

It makes sense that the "membrane" between the scales of the alligator leather would be delicate and fragile, as it would flex and not be very strong even as compared to normal leather. I am trying to find some protector for the alligator skin, I recall seeing someone selling it. It was some sort of a spray that is made for it, helps keep it sealed from nasty weather. If you know what this spray is, let me know please. Thanks so much!

Cindy

 

[cookie]

I have been away awhile and it's nice to know when I come back that LMH2's missus has been out depleting the available stock of choice spade sole vintage shoes.....

 

[Tomasso]

I have been away awhile ..

Let's not make a habit of that.

 

[LoveMyHats2]

I have been away awhile and it's nice to know when I come back that LMH2's missus has been out depleting the available stock of choice spade sole vintage shoes.....

Someone has to...may as well be ME! LOL! I should be sending you another "box" with a few bottles of Cadillac and a CD for you. The amount of information on the CD is amazing. All books that have been written by shoe makers, manufacturing, businesses related to shoes and boots. Also some actual "manuals" about how to restore, maintain, care of shoe and boots and I think one book on that topic is from the civil war era? I would have to look. But I already know you would like the CD from all what is on there.

Now, back to the hunt! LOL!

 

[cookie]

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Spade sole Alligator and Suede Foot Joys. NOS, Perfect, a great score for my Husband.

One of the remarkable aspects of US shoe sizing is the number of ways shoes can be made to fit random sizes. Especially with vintage shoes. The go up a size - down a size - go up a width - down a width leads to endless possibilities.

 

[LoveMyHats2]

I would have to say what I know Daniel would start this off comment wise...We first off have to feel very sorry for those out there, that have to attempt to find a comfortable shoe. WHY you ask? Those that have been born with six toes instead of just five little piggies. That has to be a concern for sizes, (made mention on the previous post by Mr Cookie! LOL! Everyone making shoes now, goes all over the place. They have some sort of organizational involvement to bring a total unified sizes for all shoes and have the manufactures stick to it. That being said, when you see a one legged parrot trying to walk a straight line, you have seen something like a bad pair of shoes. "Why", (you ask). Simple. Even those $600.00 Santoni shoes are made with fine leather and have some sleek lines to the design....that is all good....but also all bad. The shoe is not going to last you very long. THIN soles. Long toes that are pointy, creates issues for your toes even. (Hey recall I made mention of those that are born with six toes and not just five). Where is that toes going to be at in those shoes? Thin soles that flex too much, have a tendency to make your feet hurt. That may cause what is known as "excessive movement creating more friction, thus expedited wear. Thank you Santoni, for a sleek looking $750.00 plus shipping price tag. I could have used a new washer machine and toaster oven here at home. There is maybe just one or two models of Santoni shoes that are made with some heft to them, and have those special sewn welts designed to give a better shoe with a better shoe performance. Sort of like added swaybars and a windshield on that new Porsche, (with the hidden button for Nitrous Oxide). But those model of shoes by Santoni are up to the $900.00 mark. Check out the prices of some modest priced Vass shoes, and buy a real shoe instead. Although we do buy Vintage as much as humanly possible, there have been times we have purchase newer modern high end. Believe it or not, some vintage even blow away what Vass is making. Yes, I have learned so much, from what I read here, what Daniel has explained, and from what I read on shoe blogs as well. It is all about one thing without a single doubt.

FOR those that want to have some special look and higher quality, something that will last, (already has at times for some shoes 70 or more years old and still being worn today) you simply cannot beat the well made vintage shoes. It is next to impossible for the same quality of leather to be found. That would be the only factor of any shoe company today, to desire to charge such a high price. The leather cost an arm and a leg.

Still learning, too! lol