Sartorial Objections

[Benny Holiday]

I dig that photo!

 

[Mr. 'H']

The guy's probably only about 23 but he is such a ""man".

:eusa_clap

 

[Fletch]

You just described why ritalin was invented.

Regards,

J

gpwpat said it, not me. Just for the record...

 

[Fletch]

'Nuther thing

From Mr H's photos, I get the idea that a gentleman tilts his lid just slightly, whereas a man really goes for it.

 

[reetpleat]

Yeah I am serious. Baseball caps worn sideways looks dumb in my opinion. And that is the only one I am qualified to give.

a vintage hat while even worn crooked will still shade your eyes. I was not refering to anything other than baseball caps.

the sideways ball cap comes from african american style. I have seen pics, and even a famous bust done in bronze of an african americn boy from the thirties wearing the cap sideways. It is a cultural style that usually only they can pull off.

I gotta say though, while on the subject. I have always hated the thirties eight section cap worn backwards as in the modern swing scene, especially with a zoot suit. A cap with a zoot suit, come on.

I do dig that style of folding the brim up on the baseball style caps that mechanics and other guys in the military used to do, so it was folded up almost against the crown.

Also dig it when done with a fedora or pork pie by the college kids in the twenties.

 

[Steve]

Something I've always hated is the untucked polo shirt/sport coat combination worn with blue jeans and tennis shoes. Or when people where a tie with an untucked shirt and jeans.

And what I really dislike is when waiters at restaurants have to tuck their shirts in, but their pants still hang somewhere between the knee and groin. :rage:

 

[Haversack]

I do not find much to object to in modern sartorial trends because like language and society, clothing styles are continually evolving. I find some trends amusing but not greatly objectionable. It is interesting to observe and guess what will last and become part of tomorrow's sartorial vocabulary and what will flash and fade.

Also, with a fair knowledge of western clothing history you get to see styles and trends (and objections) repeat themselves. Take for example the trend today of wearing pyjama trousers as public day wear. It is nothing new. Pyjamas, (loose, drawstring waist, light cotton trousers), were originally public day wear in India and have continued to be so there. Europeans in India wore them that way up until about 1800 and then relegated them for indoor wear in order to set themselves apart. A couple of Rajput women I knew at University back in the 1970s wore them as part of a shalwar kameez. You had objections back in the early 20th Century about young women going out in public uncorsetted. You had churchmen writing in the 14th C. about how men's coats had gotten so short that you could tell Jew from Gentile. About the only thing new under the sun is how inexpensive clothing has gotten over the past 60 odd years. (And even that has parallel to the early 19th C. with the introduction of the cotton gin and the India trade).

While I like western mens' fashion of 1920-1940, and enjoy dressing well in general regardless of time period, it is not the pinnacle of sartorialism. Clothing styles change to adapt to changes in the wearers' environment whether it be physical or social. It is not something about which to get ones' knickers in a twist over.

Clothes are a language that varies over both time, place, and occassion. It is also good to be multi-lingual.

Haversack.

 

[gpwpat]

I did not mean to accedentally start a side subject in this thread.

the question on the gent in the picture was because his hat seems very tilted. and both of his eyes are shaded. This is where the question of if he was doing it on purpose or for practicality.his hat has a skew of about 30 degrees off the center line of the head. Where the centerline of the hat to head in the portrate is closer to 15 degrees.

I dig the style. It looks good. but I prefer a 15 degree tilt over a 30.

I tried to do it with my hat. But my feddora fits to well and will not tilt more than 5 degrees.

The engineer in me is trying to bring math into hat wearing.

Please understand gentlemen that I was not criticising tilting your HAT just a question of degrees that is all.

 

[Sefton]

If I'm honest with myself I can't say that I have any 'objections' to others mode of dress.
I have opinions and they are often that most men and some women are slobs, but I don't really care beyond that. It's not my concern how someone else dresses. Why they wear what they wear can be interesting to try to figure out though. I know that they may be looking at me and thinking something about my look that's less than complementary. We all make judgements based on appearance,everyday.
I'm glad that I'm living now and not in some time past when dressing differently and bucking the status quo might have repercussions more severe than being critiqued by a group of anachronistic sartorialists (that's meant as a complement,by the way!)

"It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances. The mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible." OSCAR WILDE, in a letter

 

[Travis]

When the person wishes he or she did not have a large gaping hole in the lobe. That is older. heck maybe it will still be in fassion in 60 years I don't know.:eusa_doh: It was just my satorial objection that is all.

Long term use may yield different results, but back in the day I had pretty large holes in my ears, I could fit a sharpie marker through the holes to give an idea of the size. I got sick of it and let them heal. Unless you were too look really close now, you'd never know I ever even had my ears pierced.

 

[Dapper Dan]

In response to earlier pseudo-insinuations, I didn't mean to say that I refuse to be friends with slobs or anything. I'm in college right now, so most of my friends dress something like that. I'm just saying that, in the best of all possible worlds, maybe people would put a little more care into their appearance. But Sefton is right; better to live in a world of choice than one of mindless conformity.

 

[Spitfire]

Besides baggypants hanging low, tracksuits of any kind worn outside tracks, chubby teenage girls showing fat belly between too short blouse and too low pants, elderly people dressing like teenagers, and anything synthetic - the worst thing is:

Leaving the label on the sleeve of the new jacket/suit

 

[Mr. 'H']

Leaving the label on the sleeve of the new jacket/suit

Some morons think that it is meant to left on as part of the suit! lol

 

[Vladimir Berkov]

I used to care about how other people dressed, but not anymore. I still am sad about what I call the "just got out of bed" look for girls. It predominates here at on the UT campus, and consists of an outsized T-shirt (preferably a sorority or other giveaway shirt) short gym shorts and flip-flops.

It is always a bit depressing when you see an otherwise pretty girl going around like that.

 

[Senator Jack]

the sideways ball cap comes from african american style. I have seen pics, and even a famous bust done in bronze of an african americn boy from the thirties wearing the cap sideways. It is a cultural style that usually only they can pull off.

Scotty Beckett - Little Rascal and Fashion Icon - circa 1934.

 

[LadyStardust]

Well I am particularly choosy, so I have quite a list, but the worst two fashion crimes for me are:

-80s fashion or revival of it :eusa_doh:
-flip flops

 

[jitterbugdoll]

I think the one thing I can't stand is boys trying hard to walk and not lose the jeans they are wearing soooo low they tend to fall on the floor

This is one of my fashion peeves too; the look is still rampant out here. I had thought it was on its way out (finally) but alas, that doesn’t seem to be the case.

I also can't stand to see an otherwise well-dressed gal with flip-flops on--why bother putting on a dressy skirt and blouse if you feel that proper footwear is too much trouble?

Oh, and I also highly dislike the real aversion women have to wearing stockings these days. They really finish of a look, make even a great pair of gams look even better, and are just proper for so many occasions.

 

[LizzieMaine]

Also not a fan of the bare-leg look with dressy clothes -- unless your legs are absolutely flawless (which few are), it really does look unfinished. Plus, in the wintertime, you have the added fun of goosebumps and cold-rash, which are flattering looks on no one.

But the look I really don't get is any kind of low-riding pants. Especially on guys, the lower the waistline, the shorter and stumpier the legs look, and the more topheavy and clumsy-looking the torso becomes, *especially* if the guy has a muscular build. I don't care how buff or well-built the man is, low-slung pants throw the whole look off balance, and I just don't understand what the aesthetic appeal is supposed to be.

 

[jitterbugdoll]

But the look I really don't get is any kind of low-riding pants. Especially on guys, the lower the waistline, the shorter and stumpier the legs look, and the more topheavy and clumsy-looking the torso becomes

Your description reminded me a of guy I used to work with, who was fond of wearing polo shirts tucked into jeans that were worn so low, they barely stayed up. He was very tall and thin, and his clothing combination of choice made him look like he was all torso—I used to call him "Torso Man" in my head

 

[fortworthgal]

I really try not to judge people by what they are wearing... but I must say that I am tremendously opposed to pants with writing on the back. For some unknown reason, grown women seem to think it is perfectly acceptable to be seen about town wearing sweat pants or yoga pants or whatever pants with words like "Juicy" emblazoned across the posterior. Um... how can I put this nicely... not a good look. For anyone. Ever.

Also - fuzzy slippers in public. They aren't shoes, people!

Also not a fan of the bare-leg look with dressy clothes -- unless your legs are absolutely flawless (which few are), it really does look unfinished. Plus, in the wintertime, you have the added fun of goosebumps and cold-rash, which are flattering looks on no one.

I also agree with this. With a casual skirt, great - with dressy clothes, no. It looks unfinished and you're right, very few people have flawless enough legs to pull this off. The thing that bothers me the most is the shoes. Seeing pumps and heels being worn with no stockings! When I was growing up, only ladies of ill repute did that, and that's what it always makes me think of. lol At least if you're going to go stocking-less, wear a sandal or other "non-stocking appropriate" shoe, and not a dress shoe.

I also don't like the dirty unkempt look, or the "I haven't had a haircut in 6 months" for guys, which seems to be quite popular.