Russian re-enacting.

[Maj.Nick Danger]

http://www.mosnews.com/images/g/s153.shtml

 

[Miss Neecerie]

Wow....very cool...of all the WWII stuff....the Russian stuff interests me the most.

Of course this raises my perpetual question...in the book I have read...the implication is that vast numbers of Soviet soldiers did not acutally wear boots...but rather foot wrap style things.

Admittedly I could have it totally wrong, and the books are back at the library, so I cant easily check what I read.

Anyone else ever read that? or am i just remembering my reading wrong, or nuts..or both?

D....who's house is decorated with WWii Russian propaganda and advertising posters

 

[MrBern]

Communist glory, bleh.

 

[Miss Neecerie]

Communist glory, bleh.

War is never glorious regardless of political afiliation.

 

[Maj.Nick Danger]

Wow....very cool...of all the WWII stuff....the Russian stuff interests me the most.

Of course this raises my perpetual question...in the book I have read...the implication is that vast numbers of Soviet soldiers did not acutally wear boots...but rather foot wrap style things.

Admittedly I could have it totally wrong, and the books are back at the library, so I cant easily check what I read.

Anyone else ever read that? or am i just remembering my reading wrong, or nuts..or both?

D....who's house is decorated with WWii Russian propaganda and advertising posters

Could be true komrade. Supplies were scarce for the red army, especially in the beginning.

 

[Story]

Of course this raises my perpetual question...in the book I have read...the implication is that vast numbers of Soviet soldiers did not acutally wear boots...but rather foot wrap style things.Admittedly I could have it totally wrong, and the books are back at the library, so I cant easily check what I read.Anyone else ever read that? or am i just remembering my reading wrong, or nuts..or both?

Perhaps you're thinking of "portyanki", foot wraps that substituted for socks.
http://www.collectrussia.com/images/q/1008.jpg

 

[MrBern]

War is never glorious regardless of political afiliation.

Then Communists, bleh.

 

[warbird]

War is never glorious regardless of political afiliation.

There were millions of Europeans who were freed of nazi occupation who would disagree with you. Along with millions of Chinese and Filipinos.

When benevolent good is victorious over evil it certainly is glorious.The alternative would be to subjugate to horror infinitely.

I agree the sad part of the victory for Russia is that first they were against us and only came to us after Hitler turned on them. Second those poor wretched souls who were then subjugated to another evil when we didn't march to Moscow and end the Russians after the Germans. Now thats an example of inglorious war, loss of one horror, only to gain another and in many ways worse horror.

 

[Miss Neecerie]

There were millions of Europeans who were freed of nazi occupation who would disagree with you. Along with millions of Chinese and Filipinos.

When benevolent good is victorious over evil it certainly is glorious.The alternative would be to subjugate to horror infinitely.

I agree the sad part of the victory for Russia is that first they were against us and only came to us after Hitler turned on them. Second those poor wretched souls who were then subjugated to another evil when we didn't march to Moscow and end the Russians after the Germans. Now thats an example of inglorious war, loss of one horror, only to gain another and in many ways worse horror.

ahh I think my statement was not clear enough....my apologies.

I meant that war, and the mechanics of war....death, destruction, young people being blown to bits...etc...is never glorious. That part of it is just -not-.

I did not mean to imply that the justification and results cannot be glorious.

Sorry if by making a brief statement I did not fully explain what I meant.

 

[Fletch]

Perhaps you're thinking of "portyanki", foot wraps that substituted for socks.
http://www.collectrussia.com/images/q/1008.jpg

The Finns had a similar garment called a footrag - just a squarish piece of cloth. Wonder how they kept wrinkles out of the soles...[huh]

 

[Miss Neecerie]

Perhaps you're thinking of "portyanki", foot wraps that substituted for socks.
http://www.collectrussia.com/images/q/1008.jpg

I could be....I will have to go re-check out the book I read to see...I was sure it was a boots thing...not a socks thing...but I am often wrong.

 

[Herr Hitman]

Communist glory, bleh.

Couldn't have won without em.

 

[Maj.Nick Danger]

Couldn't have won without em.

True. The Red Army kept about a half to two thirds of Hitler's armies occupied at any given time during the war, and at a terrible cost. 22 million dead, more than all the other combatants combined, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Spitfire]

I believe the Red Army was loved by the other allies - until it began liberating countries in Europe.
At the end it became a race - not so much to defeat the nazis, but to stop the russian advance. Denmak was very, very close to becom a russian state.
I read somewhere that, had it not been for some british parchute troops hurled foreward around L?ºbeck, the Red Army would just have marched up Jutland.

As a matter of fact and maybe not well know - one part of Denmark: The island Bornholm - in the baltic sea, south of Sweden - were bombed and later occupied for two years by the Red Army, just because the Danish government forgot to ask the British army or RAF liberating us, to send just one single officer by plane to Bornholm, in order that the German commandant on the island could surrender. He had made it very clear, that he would only surrender to an officer from the allied forces - and not to the Danish resitance.
But in all the joy and celeberation of peace and liberation on the 4th and 5th of may, Bornholm was forgotten! And the Red Army stayed there for two years.

 

[deanglen]

I believe the Red Army was loved by the other allies - until it began liberating countries in Europe.
At the end it became a race - not so much to defeat the nazis, but to stop the russian advance. Denmak was very, very close to becom a russian state.
I read somewhere that, had it not been for some british parchute troops hurled foreward around Lübeck, the Red Army would just have marched up Jutland.

As a matter of fact and maybe not well know - one part of Denmark: The island Bornholm - in the baltic sea, south of Sweden - were bombed and later occupied for two years by the Red Army, just because the Danish government forgot to ask the British army or RAF liberating us, to send just one single officer by plane to Bornholm, in order that the German commandant on the island could surrender. He had made it very clear, that he would only surrender to an officer from the allied forces - and not to the Danish resitance.
But in all the joy and celeberation of peace and liberation on the 4th and 5th of may, Bornholm was forgotten! And the Red Army stayed there for two years.

Interesting! I have always agreed with Patton, we fight them now, or we fight them later. President Putin case in point. Not looking good for the future.

dean

 

[Maj.Nick Danger]

The Russians have always been somewhat paranoid as a nation, due to the fact that they have had to repel foreign invaders so many times throughout their history. I think this is what gives them their overall hostile attitude, they have been a nation run by fear for most of their history it seems.

 

[birddog]

For an excellent account of the average Russian soldier, read the recent book "Ivan's War". It's available in paperback at Borders, etc.. The author gives a good account of equipment issued, training (if any!), equipment, etc. It's an excellent & easy read on any account.

Ugarte

 

[Story]

Russia probes World War Two buffs for extremism

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/16/AR2008041600603.html

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian prosecutors are investigating a group of military history enthusiasts for extremism because they staged a World War Two re-enactment featuring a tank with German army insignia.

Prosecutors say a replica Panzer 38(t) tank, which took part in a mock battle in central Siberia with a World War Two-era black and white cross stenciled on its side, was in breach of a law outlawing Nazi symbols.

The enthusiasts who staged the event say the allegations are absurd and accuse prosecutors of failing to understand the point of a historical re-enactment.

 

[Creeping Past]

a tank with German army insignia.

Hmm, maybe not such a harsh reaction? How's the re-enactment scene in Germany...?

 

[Mr.Microphone]

This is a good read.

Tank Rider