Roughout cross zip?

[NamoAmituofo]

I came up with an idea for ordering from Aero a roughout cross zip. Thinking of either CXLSH or goat. Not sure if aero would dye the suede side black - but I’d be happy with natural suede color.

What are you thoughts re a roughout cross zip? I want to avoid the usual type iii and make something special. I think Schott made a roughout or suede goat cross zip (can’t remember the number maybe P241 but it’s all sold out).

I’ve not seen other makers produce a roughout cross zip.

 

[Guppy]

I've seen a few suede or roughout cross zip motorcycle jackets. They are certainly uncommon, if not rare. Not my thing, but if you think you can rock it, there's no reason not to go for it.

For actual riding, I do think roughout would be less optimal - - harder to clean, more friction in a pavement slide. But for fashion purposes, it shouldn't matter.

 

[JMax]

I’ve seen a few Vanson in this config so I bet they can make one. JL too.

Older/Vtg roughout x zips are not common but they exist. I had a roughout Cal.

 

[Tom71]

I came up with an idea for ordering from Aero a roughout cross zip. Thinking of either CXLSH or goat. Not sure if aero would dye the suede side black - but I’d be happy with natural suede color.

What are you thoughts re a roughout cross zip? I want to avoid the usual type iii and make something special. I think Schott made a roughout or suede goat cross zip (can’t remember the number maybe P241 but it’s all sold out).

I’ve not seen other makers produce a roughout cross zip.

I can see that happening, but personally I wouldn’t go for goat. The special drape of goat suede doesn’t go well with the biker look, but that’s just me.

As for roughout - I don’t really know what Aero can offer, so do keep us posted.

 

[dannyk]

Schott has some too. You can usually find a few at any given time on eBay and grailed. Often in goat and cow.

But they have one collab with 3sixteen that’s actually really nice. It was released in limited numbers a few years ago; long since sold out. it’s a heavier weight cow hide oiled rough-out. With Good Art snaps. That one is limited, does not come up often and still goes for a premium. The random goat or cow Schott suedes usually 200-500. This I’ve seen 500-1,200 depending on size and condition when it does come up. I am not a Schott super fanboy nor a Schott hater. But I just loved this jacket.

 

[TartuWolf]

Personally not a fan of the idea at all myself, but I'm more than ready to be convinced otherwise. Let it rip boys - post roughout (not suede) cross zip pics that you think look good! I do like a waxed flesh / waxed nubuck jacket though, but I haven't come across a cross zip one yet.

 

[El Marro]

I can see that happening, but personally I wouldn’t go for goat. The special drape of goat suede doesn’t go well with the biker look, but that’s just me.

I would have agreed with you until I went to Langlitz in Portland and got to see (and try on) their goat first hand. It would make a great rough out cross zip. I’m not sure about the goat from Aero but it is worth asking them.

 

[dannyk]

For reference the jacket I’m referring to. Would I wear it to actually ride? No way. But I just think it’s beautiful, it will hold up a little better than a standard suede or rough out since it’s an oiled leather. Plus since it’s rough out and oiled it should age interestingly based on where the oil rubs away and where the rough finish flattens out over time.

 

[TartuWolf]

I'd much rather go for this leather than a general suede. Also note the difference between suede and roughout (and nubuck)!
https://www.thetoughboot.com/product-page/schott-nyc-storm-heavyweight-oiled-nubuck-jacket
https://www.uswings.com/product/schott-heavyweight-oiled-nubuck-leather-biker-jacket/
https://www.schottnyc.com/products/nubuck-cowhide-mechanics-jacket.htm

 

[dannyk]

I'd much rather go for this leather than a general suede. Also note the difference between suede and roughout (and nubuck)!
https://www.thetoughboot.com/product-page/schott-nyc-storm-heavyweight-oiled-nubuck-jacket
https://www.uswings.com/product/schott-heavyweight-oiled-nubuck-leather-biker-jacket/
https://www.schottnyc.com/products/nubuck-cowhide-mechanics-jacket.htm

The problem with terms like suede and rough out is that yes by definition they mean something but brands use them interchangeably, and society at large does. They have become almost
Meaningless. Nubuck sanded surface, suede split leather, rough out full weight just flipped. But look at so many boot and jacket companies they will even call things suede rough out. It’s like what the hell does that mean? Haha.

 

[TartuWolf]

The problem with terms like suede and rough out is that yes by definition they mean something but brands use them interchangeably, and society at large does. They have become almost
Meaningless. Nubuck sanded surface, suede split leather, rough out full weight just flipped. But look at so many boot and jacket companies they will even call things suede rough out. It’s like what the hell does that mean? Haha.

I don't really see that as a problem, just marketing bullshit and a typical lack of very basic leather knowledge by society spread knowledge and truth - those there are very different and have clear definitions as you mentioned yourself

 

[Guppy]

I don't really see that as a problem, just marketing bullshit and a typical lack of very basic leather knowledge by society spread knowledge and truth - those there are very different and have clear definitions as you mentioned yourself

It is a problem. It results from the way the world works.

Manufacturers and merchants know their business, they have words that mean things, and they use them correctly.

But things that are similar yet distinctly different and have different names used for them confuse the general public, including ignorant customers.

Suede is probably the best known term, and the others are less well known. People know suede as a specific texture, and also usually know that its a natural leather. But then there's faux suede and other leathers like Nubuck and roughout that have properties similar to suede, yet aren't.

It used to be you could walk into a store and talk to a guy who had years of experience and knew a lot about what they sold, and could show you examples of different types, or at least explain it, often with a visual aid on display.

A customer who knows the options, knows what they want, and asks for it by name should get what they ask for.

But for everyone else, it becomes a regularly recurring conversation for each shopper to learn what the terms are and what they mean, and then confirm that the item for sale is "this" and not "that." This gets tiresome for merchants who have a lot of these conversations and end up not selling the thing because it's not the thing the customer ends up deciding the wanted. At the retail level, many merchants hire people based on cost rather than expertise or how well they care for the customer, and so your entry level "sales associate" who has no previous experience may likely not even know themselves, and may only care about making sales, not about educating and serving the customer.

Add to that, each person interested in one type of good is an opportunity to educate them on the other similar types that might interest them more. "Oh you are asking for suede, well did you know that roughout leather is stronger because it's thicker, full grain? It has the same coarse texture, but drapes differently because it's stiffer." Some customers care, others don't, but because of the way search engines work, every webpage selling a suede item is going to mention roughout and maybe also nubuck, just to capture search engine traffic for those terms. And now, since all three terms appear on the page, you can't simply search on the one that you want, you have to read carefully to make sure it's what you want, and not merely mentioning that the one you want is a thing that happens to exist. You may even feel like you need to confirm with someone at the merchant who knows, and spend time engaging their sales support -- only to find in some cases that they don't know.

And that's how a simple thing that should take less than a minute to deal with ends up taking all day, all thanks to those wonderful automated information systems that are intended to make everything faster.

 

[thegenius1ne]

Not quite the same but somewhere in the realm of rough out, I picked up this satchel and page waxed flesh bomber just for something different and maybe adds a touch if class.