Rebel Mens Wear and Accessories?

[Edward]

Yes they are resellers of Taobao/Xianyu, which is the Chinese second-hand platform. The pair of Role Club Underdogs listed on Reb_bel instagram account is owned and currently selling on Xianyu by my friend. And my friend has no clue that his pair of boots is listed for resale on Instagram.

So some of their stuff they're showing is currently on sale elsewhere and they're essentially looking for a buyer before they commit their money to it? I can see the advantage from their point of view - avoid tying money up in stock...

 

[TheBigEraser]

So some of their stuff they're showing is currently on sale elsewhere and they're essentially looking for a buyer before they commit their money to it? I can see the advantage from their point of view - avoid tying money up in stock...

Correct. Good working capital management.

 

[air]

So some of their stuff they're showing is currently on sale elsewhere and they're essentially looking for a buyer before they commit their money to it? I can see the advantage from their point of view - avoid tying money up in stock...

The problem is they don't know the actual condition of used items until they receive them, at which point you have already payed.

Unrelated, does china charge VAT on international purchases? Their standard rate is 13%, enough to soften the blow from international shipping.

 

[Blackadder]

The problem is they don't know the actual condition of used items until they receive them, at which point you have already payed.

Unrelated, does china charge VAT on international purchases? Their standard rate is 13%, enough to soften the blow from international shipping.

My experience regarding Taobao is what you see is what you pay. There is no VAT exempted price nor is VAT added at payment page.

 

[handymike]

In a way, this is a crazy cool business model...It poses little risks, but so do many great ideas. Set up an Instgram and FB account (free), swipe photos of cool stuff from anywhere (free), build a following, re-sell at a profit. No cost upfront...if the item is gone, you tell your buyer “sorry, sold out.”
Wow, personal shopper! The only problem is in the non-permitted image use, but few individuals will press it too far. It seems easy to do with Tao Bao because we can’t access or understand it. Ebay/ Grailed would be harder because we all do that, but you could cull through Craigslist and local ads. Maybe even set up an algorithm to search the whole web for the style. This way seems smarter than the ebay model some are working.

 

[lina]

Hey lina I found it for you.

Leather--HORWEEN TOBACCO LEGACY ROUGH OUT/WAX ON
Sole--DR.SOLE #1091 CORD HALF SOLE+HEEL

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?sp...hpLc4&id=542944603085&ns=1&abbucket=11#detail

Thanks! Now just wish I could understand that web page...

 

[air]

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Thanks! Now just wish I could understand that web page...

Chrome has a built in translator, or use
https://m.superbuy.com/en/home/ they're a middleman for foreigners

 

[Edward]

The problem is they don't know the actual condition of used items until they receive them, at which point you have already payed.

Yes, buying in those circumstance they'd either have to deal with that themselves (i.e. seeking a refund if goods not up to scratch) or it could hit them - there's a level of trust involved.

Unrelated, does china charge VAT on international purchases? Their standard rate is 13%, enough to soften the blow from international shipping.

I've never paid less than the 'sticker amount' as it were buying from China, but all the websites I've used for that (eBay and Aliexpress, in the main) are designed with selling ot international buyers in mind, so I don't know exactly how it works.

In a way, this is a crazy cool business model...It poses little risks, but so do many great ideas. Set up an Instgram and FB account (free), swipe photos of cool stuff from anywhere (free), build a following, re-sell at a profit. No cost upfront...if the item is gone, you tell your buyer “sorry, sold out.”
Wow, personal shopper! The only problem is in the non-permitted image use, but few individuals will press it too far. It seems easy to do with Tao Bao because we can’t access or understand it. Ebay/ Grailed would be harder because we all do that, but you could cull through Craigslist and local ads. Maybe even set up an algorithm to search the whole web for the style. This way seems smarter than the ebay model some are working.

As long as the buyer is happy with that and it's clear that's the relationship, it seems fair enough to me. Quality Assuarance is an issue, but if I knew I could trust thyem not to send to me (andrefund me) if it wasn't up to scratch, I'd be open to trying it.

 

[Blackadder]

In addition to the language barrier, Taobao sellers also mainly communicate thru Weixin in stead of email.

 

[Edward]

In addition to the language barrier, Taobao sellers also mainly communicate thru Weixin in stead of email.

It's interesting just how the cultural differences are pronounced. Everyone I meet in Beijing seems to do *everything* through their phone - including payments; few of my students seem to bother with cash any longer, and the local McDs self-service machines are designed to take phone payments, not cards as here. WeChat seems to be the big communications app there.

 

[Blackadder]

It's interesting just how the cultural differences are pronounced. Everyone I meet in Beijing seems to do *everything* through their phone - including payments; few of my students seem to bother with cash any longer, and the local McDs self-service machines are designed to take phone payments, not cards as here. WeChat seems to be the big communications app there.

I think it has more to do with the trade barrier and government control than culture. I live in a part of China where credit cards with paywave are still very much the norm and the predominant messaging apps are Whatsapp and Telegram.

 

[Edward]

I think it has more to do with the trade barrier and government control than culture. I live in a part of China where credit cards with paywave are still very much the norm and the predominant messaging apps are Whatsapp and Telegram.

There certainly seems to be more variation across the Provinces than one might expect from the outside - though that would be a more familiar concept to our American chums, of course, given the federal nature of the USA. There certainly are also a lot of cultural aspects that affect China. I often wonder whether the simple physical proximity in which most Beijingers exist (that being the area in which I have most experience) has something to do with it. The kids I teach live six to a dorm and don't really ever have space to themselves during their university years. Back in 2006, it was an all-cash economy in Beijing (still my most common way of operating outside the hotel - same pretty much anywhere I travel), but now everyone uses their phone for everything. Amazing how the tech has taken off - several reasons behind it, of course. But then the UK is fast on the way to being a cashless society too - a decade ago, 30% of daily transitions were b y card; now it's 70%. I've been to events that were card only at the bar, and we have restaurants local to us that do the same thing. Reminds me of Jello Biafra's declaration - "Give me Convenience or Give me Death!"

 

[Canuck Panda]

This post is about my Rebel experience, my reviews are at the bottom, I will try to be as objective as possible given the circumstances:

This is what he advertised on Instagram:

This is how it came:

This is what I got:

This is how it fits on me:

These are listed measurements vs actual measurements. They are pretty close.

This is a close up of the leather and it's thickness. This is Top Grain leather. It has been heavily sanded to get rid of all the marks. It is mostly 1.4mm thick but there were few thin spots 1.0mm, so advertised thickness is towards the heavier end.

Here is what I gotta say about it:

1) At $580 it is a bad deal. Sorry Rebel, this may sound harsh now but it will help your business in the long run.
If I bought this directly from Taobao it would of cost me about $330 shipped.
Check out @TheBigEraser post. It's very informative. I wished I had read through it a few times. I know, I'm trying to listen more. https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/chinese-leather-jackets.105232/

2) Would I have bought it from $330 shipped from Taobao had I known about it. In hindsight, No. These are my no reasons:

Price:
It's not low enough to justify the purchase. This jacket is essentially a generic version of what Vanson would have produced if Vanson decided to do this design. But Vanson has brand recognition and warranty and resale value. This jacket has none. So my actual ownership cost of a Vanson jacket would be lower than what I would have paid for this generic one.
Here is my math on price:
InsaneGenius jacket $330 shipped, resale = $0, any future repair will come out of my own pocket.
Vanson jacket straight zip design sells for <$500 dollars, resale = at least half, and all future repair will be under warranty. So my actual cost of ownership is under $200 dollars over the long run. Vanson also takes trades.

Either this InsaneGenius jacket match the Vanson brand recognition by offering warranty and buy back program and free shipping, I cannot justify to pay more than 200 dollars for it. Generic Viagra is made with the same formula as Pfizer's Viagra. But I don't buy the generic one because there is nothing behind it if anything goes wrong. Jackets also give me a hard on so I use the same logic. (This is a joke but it is also true, I have bad sense of humour sorry.)


Leather:
The leather is very similar to the current comp weight. They smell exactly the same. Except the IG jacket has been in a plastic bag so it smells stronger. And I understand why some members don't like the current comp weight now, but I am ok with it. It is still thick and quality leather. It's just been sanded down to get rid of all the good stuff like scrotum grain, saggy stretch marks, old vein grains...etc. This jacket was meant for the Asian market, and they demand different things. There is a very expensive RMC jacket that use printed horsehide. I would not pay for that, but different strokes for different folks. Corrected grain isn't bad if that's what your customers are asking for. I personally prefer the scars, but I get why some would prefer the sanded down versions.

Pattern and sizing:
These are off the rack, and in Asian sizing. So not the best for anyone taller than 6' and heavier than 190 lbs.
This particular "Mulholland" clone also has relaxed straight body or "( )" shaped torsos, there is not a lot of "\ /" taper. Which is not my cup of tea. But that's just me, not the jacket.

Quality:
The Tag was put on crooked. I keep saying this. The seller should always do QC pics before sending out the product. The crooked tag doesn't make this jacket perform less, just looks amateur.
The lining is actually thick as hell wool based fabric. So there is no doubt on the quality of the material, but how it's put together. Again, if IG offered warranty and buy back program, these would not be an issue.
I get why member here say they would rather have Shawn make a copy of the China off the rack copy now. 5Star has better sewing, and he does custom. But Taobao has a lot more styles to chose from, at lower prices. Everyone has their own shtick, chose what is right for you.


The silver lining of this experience:

1) I found Cidu on Taobao. For about 800 dollars I got half dozen jackets. All they need to be is not to fall apart, which isn't hard; China jackets may be generic copies, but sewing is just sewing. Taobao shipping takes forever to get here, but for the price I can wait.

2) I found out that I am not a fan of the "Mulholland" design pattern, without dropping $3k. This is the upside of direct copies. Sure it is still exploiting wage inequalities in the world (this is why I feel guilt and shame), but different people in my community still got their cut (border customs office, local logistics...etc). An the 2500 dollars I saved on not buying the real Mulholland will most likely go back into my local liquor store and smoke shop (its legal now) and many other things. And that's good enough for me.


Sorry for resurrecting an old thread. I googled Rebel and this thread showed up. Googling anything about leather jacket would bring me to Fedora Lounge. Or to certain members here. Wink Wink.

 

[ton312]

This post is about my Rebel experience, my reviews are at the bottom, I will try to be as objective as possible given the circumstances:

This is what he advertised on Instagram:
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This is how it came:
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This is what I got:
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This is how it fits on me:
View attachment 365747
These are listed measurements vs actual measurements. They are pretty close.
View attachment 365748
View attachment 365749

This is a close up of the leather and it's thickness. This is Top Grain leather. It has been heavily sanded to get rid of all the marks. It is mostly 1.4mm thick but there were few thin spots 1.0mm, so advertised thickness is towards the heavier end.
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Here is what I gotta say about it:

1) At $580 it is a bad deal. Sorry Rebel, this may sound harsh now but it will help your business in the long run.
If I bought this directly from Taobao it would of cost me about $330 shipped.
Check out @TheBigEraser post. It's very informative. I wished I had read through it a few times. I know, I'm trying to listen more. https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/chinese-leather-jackets.105232/

2) Would I have bought it from $330 shipped from Taobao had I known about it. In hindsight, No. These are my no reasons:

Price:
It's not low enough to justify the purchase. This jacket is essentially a generic version of what Vanson would have produced if Vanson decided to do this design. But Vanson has brand recognition and warranty and resale value. This jacket has none. So my actual ownership cost of a Vanson jacket would be lower than what I would have paid for this generic one.
Here is my math on price:
InsaneGenius jacket $330 shipped, resale = $0, any future repair will come out of my own pocket.
Vanson jacket straight zip design sells for <$500 dollars, resale = at least half, and all future repair will be under warranty. So my actual cost of ownership is under $200 dollars over the long run. Vanson also takes trades.

Either this InsaneGenius jacket match the Vanson brand recognition by offering warranty and buy back program and free shipping, I cannot justify to pay more than 200 dollars for it. Generic Viagra is made with the same formula as Pfizer's Viagra. But I don't buy the generic one because there is nothing behind it if anything goes wrong. Jackets also give me a hard on so I use the same logic. (This is a joke but it is also true, I have bad sense of humour sorry.)


Leather:
The leather is very similar to the current comp weight. They smell exactly the same. Except the IG jacket has been in a plastic bag so it smells stronger. And I understand why some members don't like the current comp weight now, but I am ok with it. It is still thick and quality leather. It's just been sanded down to get rid of all the good stuff like scrotum grain, saggy stretch marks, old vein grains...etc. This jacket was meant for the Asian market, and they demand different things. There is a very expensive RMC jacket that use printed horsehide. I would not pay for that, but different strokes for different folks. Corrected grain isn't bad if that's what your customers are asking for. I personally prefer the scars, but I get why some would prefer the sanded down versions.
View attachment 365765

Pattern and sizing:
These are off the rack, and in Asian sizing. So not the best for anyone taller than 6' and heavier than 190 lbs.
This particular "Mulholland" clone also has relaxed straight body or "( )" shaped torsos, there is not a lot of "\ /" taper. Which is not my cup of tea. But that's just me, not the jacket.

Quality:
The Tag was put on crooked. I keep saying this. The seller should always do QC pics before sending out the product. The crooked tag doesn't make this jacket perform less, just looks amateur.
The lining is actually thick as hell wool based fabric. So there is no doubt on the quality of the material, but how it's put together. Again, if IG offered warranty and buy back program, these would not be an issue.
I get why member here say they would rather have Shawn make a copy of the China off the rack copy now. 5Star has better sewing, and he does custom. But Taobao has a lot more styles to chose from, at lower prices. Everyone has their own shtick, chose what is right for you.


The silver lining of this experience:

1) I found Cidu on Taobao. For about 800 dollars I got half dozen jackets. All they need to be is not to fall apart, which isn't hard; China jackets may be generic copies, but sewing is just sewing. Taobao shipping takes forever to get here, but for the price I can wait.

2) I found out that I am not a fan of the "Mulholland" design pattern, without dropping $3k. This is the upside of direct copies. Sure it is still exploiting wage inequalities in the world (this is why I feel guilt and shame), but different people in my community still got their cut (border customs office, local logistics...etc). An the 2500 dollars I saved on not buying the real Mulholland will most likely go back into my local liquor store and smoke shop (its legal now) and many other things. And that's good enough for me.


Sorry for resurrecting an old thread. I googled Rebel and this thread showed up. Googling anything about leather jacket would bring me to Fedora Lounge. Or to certain members here. Wink Wink.

Thanks for sharing! I kind of knew this would be the result, although I will say what you received looks better than I expected. It suffers from the curse of Cidu. Seemingly random tailoring, huge neck hole, single diameter sleeve from shoulder to cuff. I'd be happy to pay around $200 for one of those. They are also all over Esty atm. All in all it's not terrible by any means...but it's certainly over priced from Reb_el.

 

[jonesy86]

This post is about my Rebel experience, my reviews are at the bottom, I will try to be as objective as possible given the circumstances:

This is what he advertised on Instagram:
View attachment 365744
This is how it came:
View attachment 365745

This is what I got:
View attachment 365746

This is how it fits on me:
View attachment 365747
These are listed measurements vs actual measurements. They are pretty close.
View attachment 365748
View attachment 365749

This is a close up of the leather and it's thickness. This is Top Grain leather. It has been heavily sanded to get rid of all the marks. It is mostly 1.4mm thick but there were few thin spots 1.0mm, so advertised thickness is towards the heavier end.
View attachment 365750
View attachment 365751


Here is what I gotta say about it:

1) At $580 it is a bad deal. Sorry Rebel, this may sound harsh now but it will help your business in the long run.
If I bought this directly from Taobao it would of cost me about $330 shipped.
Check out @TheBigEraser post. It's very informative. I wished I had read through it a few times. I know, I'm trying to listen more. https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/chinese-leather-jackets.105232/

2) Would I have bought it from $330 shipped from Taobao had I known about it. In hindsight, No. These are my no reasons:

Price:
It's not low enough to justify the purchase. This jacket is essentially a generic version of what Vanson would have produced if Vanson decided to do this design. But Vanson has brand recognition and warranty and resale value. This jacket has none. So my actual ownership cost of a Vanson jacket would be lower than what I would have paid for this generic one.
Here is my math on price:
InsaneGenius jacket $330 shipped, resale = $0, any future repair will come out of my own pocket.
Vanson jacket straight zip design sells for <$500 dollars, resale = at least half, and all future repair will be under warranty. So my actual cost of ownership is under $200 dollars over the long run. Vanson also takes trades.

Either this InsaneGenius jacket match the Vanson brand recognition by offering warranty and buy back program and free shipping, I cannot justify to pay more than 200 dollars for it. Generic Viagra is made with the same formula as Pfizer's Viagra. But I don't buy the generic one because there is nothing behind it if anything goes wrong. Jackets also give me a hard on so I use the same logic. (This is a joke but it is also true, I have bad sense of humour sorry.)


Leather:
The leather is very similar to the current comp weight. They smell exactly the same. Except the IG jacket has been in a plastic bag so it smells stronger. And I understand why some members don't like the current comp weight now, but I am ok with it. It is still thick and quality leather. It's just been sanded down to get rid of all the good stuff like scrotum grain, saggy stretch marks, old vein grains...etc. This jacket was meant for the Asian market, and they demand different things. There is a very expensive RMC jacket that use printed horsehide. I would not pay for that, but different strokes for different folks. Corrected grain isn't bad if that's what your customers are asking for. I personally prefer the scars, but I get why some would prefer the sanded down versions.
View attachment 365765

Pattern and sizing:
These are off the rack, and in Asian sizing. So not the best for anyone taller than 6' and heavier than 190 lbs.
This particular "Mulholland" clone also has relaxed straight body or "( )" shaped torsos, there is not a lot of "\ /" taper. Which is not my cup of tea. But that's just me, not the jacket.

Quality:
The Tag was put on crooked. I keep saying this. The seller should always do QC pics before sending out the product. The crooked tag doesn't make this jacket perform less, just looks amateur.
The lining is actually thick as hell wool based fabric. So there is no doubt on the quality of the material, but how it's put together. Again, if IG offered warranty and buy back program, these would not be an issue.
I get why member here say they would rather have Shawn make a copy of the China off the rack copy now. 5Star has better sewing, and he does custom. But Taobao has a lot more styles to chose from, at lower prices. Everyone has their own shtick, chose what is right for you.


The silver lining of this experience:

1) I found Cidu on Taobao. For about 800 dollars I got half dozen jackets. All they need to be is not to fall apart, which isn't hard; China jackets may be generic copies, but sewing is just sewing. Taobao shipping takes forever to get here, but for the price I can wait.

2) I found out that I am not a fan of the "Mulholland" design pattern, without dropping $3k. This is the upside of direct copies. Sure it is still exploiting wage inequalities in the world (this is why I feel guilt and shame), but different people in my community still got their cut (border customs office, local logistics...etc). An the 2500 dollars I saved on not buying the real Mulholland will most likely go back into my local liquor store and smoke shop (its legal now) and many other things. And that's good enough for me.


Sorry for resurrecting an old thread. I googled Rebel and this thread showed up. Googling anything about leather jacket would bring me to Fedora Lounge. Or to certain members here. Wink Wink.

Thanks for the in depth review.

 

[Marc mndt]

Shameless copy of a Thedi Leathers design. I know copyright law doesn't apply to clothing design, but it would be nice if they'd come up with something creative themselves instead of just copy paste.

 

[john corry]

So I decided to give them a go and have ordered a custom Cossack jacket with a red silk lining. Because of my height (6ft 7in), the custom service is appealing and the price point is fair. I will do a review when I receive it in about a month. Let’s see what happens…

 

[Leigh H]

Don’t buy from Rebel guys, he’s just drop shipping from Taobao and doubling the price and then buying through services like buyee and Superbuy.

He doesn’t even touch the product.

Good luck with returns.

 

[john corry]

Understood, but I wanted a jacket made to my measurements so wouldn’t be able to return anyway

 

[MrProper]

Understood, but I wanted a jacket made to my measurements so wouldn’t be able to return anyway

I am 6.5 tall and no off the rack leather jacket fits me. I have had good experience with 5* when you have special requests. But others also allow modifications to the measurements of their jackets.