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Pre-WWII Air Corps Uniform

Mojave Jack

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I've been developing a guided walking tour of the March Field Historic District for some time, and am planning to do it in a period uniform. I've been shooting for circa 1935, since that is the last year of the period of significance for the district, and have been using as my guide one of the best photos I have from that period:

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Left to right are Carl Spaatz, Hap Arnold, and Benjamin Foulois (just before his retirement in 1935), and Foulois' enlisted driver, a PFC. (Note that Foulois is wearing plus fours for his flying uniform, a common practice at the time, and is still wearing his A-1 in preference to the A-2, which had been in service for almost four years at this point) The coat is nigh impossible to find, I've discovered, since the enlisted khaki cotton jacket was discontinued just before the war, and no one wants to reproduce anything pre-WWII. So I went with a slightly more working uniform:

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Here's a close up of the hat, complete with regulation Air Corps hat cord, and 17th Pursuit Group DI:

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And the GHQ AF patch, worn by all combat units after 1935, and my actual rank, Master Sergeant:

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Here's another shot of the uniform, again with the coat, but until I can find a reasonable repro, I guess I'll have to do without:

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The only question is, did the Air Corps troops roll their puttees from the top down, like the cavalry, or the bottom up, like the infantry? I tend to think it would have been top down, like the cavalry, simply because of the kinship between the two. It looks like the drive in the first photo has his wound from top to bottom, but it hard to tell. The troop in the last photo definately has his would from top to bottom, but I have no idea what unit he was with. The last photo, incidentally, comes from The Encyclopedia of US Army Insignia and Uniforms, p 511. The first photo is from our archives at March.

The breeches and shirt are both Jerry's. The breeches I like, but the shirt is pretty bad. There's no collar band, so it doesn't wear a tie very well, and the sleeves are made for, *ahem*, larger re-enactors than myself, and thus I have about two to three extra inches in the sleeve width. Gotta take it back to the tailor, and have the sleeves slimmed down a bit to a more fighting trim.

The shoes aren't quite right either, since I have the composite sole introduced in 1938, rather than the leather-soled service shoe introduced in 1928 (thanks for that info, bigshoe!), but they'll have to do. Hopefully no one on the tour will be a stitch-counter!
 

Widebrim

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Great uniform, Mojave Jack! You're a Master Sergeant? I thought that you had been in the Marine Corps., and that the rank was Master Gunnery Sergeant. No matter, it all looks good. Is the patch vintage? It appears so. I've got a WWII USAAF shirt that I picked up at a thrift store for a few bucks, complete with overseas service bars and some type of triangular commo patch at the bottom of one sleeve.
 

Doug C

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Man, great job MJ !! I wish I could take your tour. And thanks for the vintage picture, I collect original A-1 pictures on the rare occasion that surface.

Doug C
 

David Conwill

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Mojave Jack said:
And the GHQ AF patch, worn by all combat units after 1935, and my actual rank, Master Sergeant:

GHQAFPatchsm.jpg

I have this patch in my grandfather's WWII scrap book. Do you know when they stopped wearing it?

The uniform looks great. I love that interbellum look in military uniforms. To the untrained eye you could be helping keep Signal Corps Jennies aloft during the hunt for Pancho Villa.

-Dave
 

scotrace

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Wright-Patterson AFB Museum in Dayton has a rather impressive collection of pre-WWII uniforms. I've toured there and have a fair number of photos. Is there anything specific I can help turn up in terms of research?
 

Mojave Jack

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Thanks for all the positive feedback, guys! I hope that the tour will also be positive, and I've gotten a lot of encouragement from my commander and other staff. Iam also getting good support from the March Field Air Museum director, with whom I am working closely to develop the tour as a joint venture between my unit and the museum. I've got all kinds of ideas, should the tour prove popular, like giving away repro matchbooks from the officer's club (found an example on E-Bay, and am looking into the costs of getting them done. Thanks for the info, MK!)

Widebrim said:
Great uniform, Mojave Jack! You're a Master Sergeant? I thought that you had been in the Marine Corps., and that the rank was Master Gunnery Sergeant. No matter, it all looks good. Is the patch vintage? It appears so. I've got a WWII USAAF shirt that I picked up at a thrift store for a few bucks, complete with overseas service bars and some type of triangular commo patch at the bottom of one sleeve.
I am a former Marine, but I left active duty (as a sergeant) and have been in the Air Force Reserves pretty much ever since. I still work for the Marine Corps as civil service, but I think I am a better zoomie than I was a Marine! lol I like my job a lot, too. I am the Wing Historian for my unit, and get to do a lot more cool stuff. I have done officer impressions int he past, but I was a little nervous doing it in an official capacity, so I went with an enlisted uniform. Since I can't find the service jacket, I am having a buddy paint a 34th Attack Squadron patch for my A-2, in case the day of the tour is cold. I figured a Master Sergeant during that period would be a gunner on an A-17, so I could get away with the A-2. Since I can't sind a service jacket, the other option would be a fatigue uniform, and no one assigned to escort visitors would wear a fatigue uniform. Even the A-2 is questionable, but many Air Corps troops refused to acknowledge that the flight jacket was not appropriate for service wear. The Army brass was always complaining about the flying crews wearing their A-2s under improper circumstances! lol

I know those patches you are talking about, that look like this:
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There were a number of them, for different specialties. This one is Weather Specialist, but there were ones for bomb loaders, mechanics, etc. They are sort of the early equivalent of our modern skill badges. This is my historian skill badge:

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The patch is actually not vintage, but I got it from George at National Capital Historic Sales (http://www.nchsinc.com/). I got the stripes from him, too. Their regular website had some problems, but they have an eBay store. George really knows his stuff on insignia, so I went with his. It is an embroidered patch, which was probably a bit later. Most of the originals I've seen are orange felt with the propeller embroidered onto it, rather than an embroidered background. George's had the advantage of being accurate and a little more durable! Actually, the wearing of the patch on the shirt may be a little questionable, but I wanted to tie the Air Corps colors to the hat cord so people would see why the hat cord consists of those colors. I don't have any examples of the patch on the shirt that early, though I know it was done later. [huh]

Dave, they stopped wearing the GHQ AF patch in '41, when the Hap Arnold star was introduced, and the Air Corps became the Army Air Forces and GHQ AF was changed to Air Combat Command and then replaced altogether by the numbered Air Forces during that period.

Dixon Cannon said:
Nicely done, MJ! Come to Mesa, AZ in March for the big CAF Party with that one - you'll be a big hit!
Thanks, Dixon! I just may take you up on that. My dad is a snowbird now, and winters in Apache Junction. Nick Charles is there in Phoenix, too, so I have lots of reasons to come visit.

Doug C said:
Man, great job MJ !! I wish I could take your tour. And thanks for the vintage picture, I collect original A-1 pictures on the rare occasion that surface.

Doug C
Thanks, Doug! I have a few more shots of Foulois during that same visit. I'll see about scanning those in and post them for you. If you'd rather, PM me your e-mail and I'll send larger versions of the scans.

I am hoping that the tour will prove popular enough to be offered to the public at large. For the inaugural tour my general has asked to offer it to local civic leaders. The museum director has suggested offering it monthly after that, though! :eek: Maybe quarterly or twice annually! The AF has to supply a bus and driver to bring the tour participants from the museum onto the active part of the base, so we have to do all the security stuff to get them aboard. My commander is very history oriented, and very supportive, but I don't think he'll want to support that every month. We'll see, though!

scotrace said:
Wright-Patterson AFB Museum in Dayton has a rather impressive collection of pre-WWII uniforms. I've toured there and have a fair number of photos. Is there anything specific I can help turn up in terms of research?
Scott, that place is like my Mecca! I haven't been there in years, though, and not since I started focusing on the inter-war years. I know it'll be a sacrifice for you to go back there, but I can always use photos of enlisted uniforms from 1926 to 1939. After '39 they are pretty much the same as the war years, but those depression years are hard to find. I'm particularly interested in the period from '35 to '39, since that was the GHQ AF years, and a real hey day for activity at March.
 

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