Pre 1940s Stetson Westerns

[RossRYoung]

Does the orange reorder tag have Stetson typed on it? Can’t quite make it out, but if not then I’d say it’s not a Stetson at all. Great hat though regardless

 

[MikeinRome]

Does the orange reorder tag have Stetson typed on it? Can’t quite make it out, but if not then I’d say it’s not a Stetson at all. Great hat though regardless

Here's another pic of it and no, it doesn't say Stetson. However, I'm including 3 pics of a Stetson on eBay right now and it has a similar tag, also not saying Stetson. We already know Stetson used those 3-panel white tags on some hats. Look at the pics of TheGuitarFairy hat and it does have Stetson on its reorder tag. My reorder tag is unusual looking in it's border design, I admit.

 

[MikeinRome]

Late 1930's Stetson 3X Beaver, Tailored Edge. Lot Number 7744. 3 inch brim, 5 1/2 inch open crown. There is a chance this might be an early 40's hat because it has the same Lot Number as a Beaver Twenty Five hat, which supposedly wasn't offered for sale til about 1941.

 

[Rmccamey]

A real beauty, Mike.

1939

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1941

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1942

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If I'm not mistaken, Max @drmaxtejeda has a Tropicale Barbisio

1944

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Late 1930's Stetson 3X Beaver, Tailored Edge. Lot Number 7744. 3 inch brim, 5 1/2 inch open crown. There is a chance this might be an early 40's hat because it has the same Lot Number as a Beaver Twenty Five hat, which supposedly wasn't offered for sale til about 1941.

 

[MikeinRome]

Stetson Number 1 Quality Lot Number 6477, which I estimate dates ca 1932-33. 4 1/2 inch brim, 7 inch open crown. The felt has a beautiful feel. I would have guessed it was a higher grade hat, the felt is so nice.

This same Stetson No. 1 after being cleaned, new sweatband, and being reshaped at Paris Hatters. They also shrank it down about a size.

 

[Bamaboots]

Shame about the brim binding.

 

[Hurricane Jack]

Stetson Number 1 Quality Lot Number 6477, which I estimate dates ca 1932-33.

N. Porter didn’t open in Phoenix until 1940.

 

[TheOldFashioned]

N. Porter didn’t open in Phoenix until 1940.

Source?

From @RossRYoung

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/thr...ear-beaver-quality-western.61636/post-2724985

 

[MikeinRome]

N. Porter didn’t open in Phoenix until 1940.

That's interesting, or puzzling, because I don't believe the Lot Number on the sweatband can be from 1940.

 

[Hurricane Jack]

Source?

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From @RossRYoung

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https://www.thefedoralounge.com/thr...ear-beaver-quality-western.61636/post-2724985

My apologies to you & to Mike. I was remembering that they were in Tucson after leaving TX until they opened the downtown store in 1940. Mea culpa!

 

[MikeinRome]

Shame about the brim binding.

Meaning what? The binding is still there. It's 3/8 inch or maybe 1/2 inch binding and now makes up the pencil curl, per attached photo.

 

[Bamaboots]

Meaning what?

 

[TWKundrat]

Just picked up this hat. I posted this on another thread but I'll add it here too.

Has the 1900 Paris grand prize stamp on the sweatband. Looks like #34 block and 4-1/4" crown height.

I'd be interested to hear any more info about it or guesses on it's age. I read somewhere that the 1900 Paris logo was only used until 1915 but I'm not sure if that's true or not.

 

[MikeinRome]

Just picked up this hat. I posted this on another thread but I'll add it here too.

Has the 1900 Paris grand prize stamp on the sweatband. Looks like #34 block and 4-1/4" crown height.

I'd be interested to hear any more info about it or guesses on it's age. I read somewhere that the 1900 Paris logo was only used until 1915 but I'm not sure if that's true or not. View attachment 597108 View attachment 597109 View attachment 597110 View attachment 597111 View attachment 597112 View attachment 597113 View attachment 597114

How about a photo of the 1900 logo? There are several versions, I think. Also, look for the Lot Number stamped on the back side of the sweatband, usually up in the front of the sweatband. Will probably be a 4 digit number.

 

[TWKundrat]

How about a photo of the 1900 logo? There are several versions, I think. Also, look for the Lot Number stamped on the back side of the sweatband, usually up in the front of the sweatband. Will probably be a 4 digit number.

It's a bit hard to see but here it is. It looks like it says
"John B. Stetson Co.
Grand Prize
1900
Paris"

 

[MikeinRome]

It's a bit hard to see but here it is. It looks like it says
"John B. Stetson Co.
Grand Prize
1900
Paris"
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This is a hat on the Lounge with a clearer copy of the same logo on your hat. I suspect this logo dates toward the latter part of this design's use, probably somewhere in the 1910's or maybe 1920's. It's not shown in the ca. 1900 Stetson catalog, which shows at least 2 other versions. Looking for that Lot # would also help narrow down the age

 

[MikeinRome]

Or maybe your logo existed earlier but just wasn't shown in that 1900 catalog for some reason. That's another reason why the Lot # would be helpful.

 

[TWKundrat]

Unfortunately I don't see any visible lot number. Here's a better picture of the 1900 Grand Prize stamp and another picture of the tags.

 

[MikeinRome]

It looks like you have some kind of film, etc covering the back side of the sweatband. You should be looking at raw leather.

 

[TWKundrat]

It looks like you have some kind of film, etc covering the back side of the sweatband. You should be looking at raw leather.

I found a derby from the same era for sale on eBay with a similar looking treatment on the backside of the sweatband but it still has the lot number visible. Maybe it's just worn off over time on mine. Being that it's on a slicker surface the ink may not penetrate as well.