Pre- 1940s Stetson dress hats.

[carouselvic]

1930. To mid ww11 is an accurate ball park range

 

[BobHufford]

1930. To mid ww11 is an accurate ball park range

Vic -- Is the 1930 date based on the first use of the roundel?

(This image posted by @Just Daniel earlier).

Would the white size/blocking/reorder tag put it closer to the 1930 date than mid-'30s?

@Jesse John -- is there a lot number on the back of the sweat?

I still can't get a handle on this dating stuff ...

 

[carouselvic]

Vic -- Is the 1930 date based on the first use of the roundel?

Yes that is where I came up with the 1930 date, mid war date was from the Boyd hat.

 

[BobHufford]

...mid war date was from the Boyd hat.

Is this the Boyd hat referenced above?

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/stetson-5x-clear-beaver-1942.39321/

(Good Lord -- what a hat!)

Does anyone have an idea when the black/white size/block/depth/finish stickers went to the red/white three-cell ones (with the separate "To Duplicate" sticker)?

 

[Just Daniel]

The white combination reorder/inventory tag is usually taken to mean a 20s hat, but the trademark application for the Stetson roundel is pretty clear that the roundel’s earliest use is 1930. You can never be sure, but trademark application dates are very significant indicators.

With the two together I would be comfortable saying this is a very early ‘30s hat. A really great find in a 3X!

Daniel

Hello everyone, I need some help dating this long haired, 3x beaver, Stetson. Any info would be greatly appreciated! Thanks to those who have sent me some info already and @deadlyhandsome for directing me here.
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[alanfgag]

The red manufacturing tag goes back a long ways earlier than this hat. The white tag is an unsolved mystery. I’ve wondered whether it was pasted into hats that were factory refurbished, but that is just me wondering. Does the sweatband have a sewn rear seam? Can the LOTXXXX imprint be read?

 

[carouselvic]

The white combination reorder/inventory tag is usually taken to mean a 20s hat, but the trademark application for the Stetson roundel is pretty clear that the roundel’s earliest use is 1930. You can never be sure, but trademark application dates are very significant indicators.

With the two together I would be comfortable saying this is a very early ‘30s hat. A really great find in a 3X!

Daniel

I’ve no idea where you got that stuff about the white stickers, I can count the number of white stickers that I have seen on my fingers.

 

[Jesse John]

@Jesse John -- is there a lot number on the back of the sweat?

Here is a photo of the stamp, Im, pretty sure this is the only one on there. No sign of a LOT number like my older nutria hats as @alanfgag mentioned!

Yes that is where I came up with the 1930 date, mid war date was from the Boyd hat.

Thank you for assisting with this mystery! There's much on TFL that I have missed, being a new member. Thank you for pulling things out of the archives

Is this the Boyd hat referenced above?

Holy cow... I've NEVER seen anything like that before. Looks like a one of kind lid, no doubt.

The white combination reorder/inventory tag is usually taken to mean a 20s hat, but the trademark application for the Stetson roundel is pretty clear that the roundel’s earliest use is 1930. You can never be sure, but trademark application dates are very significant indicators.

With the two together I would be comfortable saying this is a very early ‘30s hat. A really great find in a 3X!

Daniel

Daniel, Thank you for your knowledge!

 

[Just Daniel]

Yes, that is very true. The few I recall seeing and reading about (including the three I have) are probably 1920s hats based on their other identifiers.

In my case I have a straw with a ~20s crest, an incoming 3X with a 20s beaver/rainbow/rectangle crest, and a probable 20s bowler.

The straw and bowler could be earlier, it is still just best guesswork.

I’ve no idea where you got that stuff about the white stickers, I can count the number of white stickers that I have seen on my fingers.

 

[RossRYoung]

According to a recent tag find, this Real Nutria makes the cut for this thread.

Still need to add my Standard Quality hommy here too

 

[alanfgag]

According to a recent tag find, this Real Nutria makes the cut for this thread.
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Nice hat and great addition. It's got mixed messages in terms of the manufacturing tags and marks... perhaps a result of WWII era shortages requiring a reach back in supplies. The board reinforced crown liner is a later derby era detail - great to have one without dents. Thanks for posting.

 

[RossRYoung]

Thank you, Alan. No LOT found on the Derby either.

A better fitting addition, Standard Quality frayed end ribbon Homburg. Lot # 7267

 

[Kuro]

Thank you, Alan. No LOT found on the Derby either.

A better fitting addition, Standard Quality frayed end ribbon Homburg. Lot # 7267

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Awesome Stetson Homburg!

 

[RossRYoung]

Awesome Stetson Homburg!

Thank you, it’s a favorite for sure.

 

[deadlyhandsome]

Standard Quality Featherweight derby in size 7 1/2:

 

[alanfgag]

Standard Quality Featherweight derby in size 7 1/2:

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That is all kinds of wonderful.

 

[alanfgag]

Royal Stetson montecristi c.1940 (perhaps late 1930s). Fine condition save for the missing rear sweatband bow. The 2" sweatband has a moisture barrier behind it that extends most of the way but does not peek behind it. Sweat affixed to the reed with 18 stitches per inch. Pretty remarkable quality in the blocking, finishing and in the evenness of the weave for what must have been a modestly priced summer hat. The early Royal Stetson rondel has always puzzled me - very complex design with the bifurcated foil stamp in gold and copper. The copper has oxidized making it ghostly and adding to the mystery.

 

[Just Daniel]

WOW!

Royal Stetson montecristi c.1940 (perhaps late 1930s). Fine condition save for the missing rear sweatband bow. The 2" sweatband has a moisture barrier behind it that extends most of the way but does not peek behind it. Sweat affixed to the reed with 18 stitches per inch. Pretty remarkable quality in the blocking, finishing and in the evenness of the weave for what must have been a modestly priced summer hat. The early Royal Stetson rondel has always puzzled me - very complex design with the bifurcated foil stamp in gold and copper. The copper has oxidized making it ghostly and adding to the mystery.

 

[Rmccamey]

Great hats all around, gentlemen!

According to a recent tag find, this Real Nutria makes the cut for this thread.
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Still need to add my Standard Quality hommy here too

Thank you, Alan. No LOT found on the Derby either.

A better fitting addition, Standard Quality frayed end ribbon Homburg. Lot # 7267

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Standard Quality Featherweight derby in size 7 1/2:

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Royal Stetson montecristi c.1940 (perhaps late 1930s). Fine condition save for the missing rear sweatband bow. The 2" sweatband has a moisture barrier behind it that extends most of the way but does not peek behind it. Sweat affixed to the reed with 18 stitches per inch. Pretty remarkable quality in the blocking, finishing and in the evenness of the weave for what must have been a modestly priced summer hat. The early Royal Stetson rondel has always puzzled me - very complex design with the bifurcated foil stamp in gold and copper. The copper has oxidized making it ghostly and adding to the mystery.

 

[alanfgag]

House rules are strict on adding new black derbies... has to be clean, has to fit and it has to have a third thing of some sort. Finding a good candidate at the flea market usually qualifies if the price is fair. Here is an early depression era Select Quality (LOT66XX) sold at Buffalo's storied The Kleinhans - a hat that never left town. Comfort Fit sweatband angles away from the hat body at its turned edge and gives a little suspension spring - it is very comfortable to wear.