Post War Blues, Soul & Rock. 1945 - 1975

[Peacoat]

Thanks James. I'm too young to remember the Joe Turner song. I believe the Bill Haley version came out shortly after Big Joe's version ran up the R&B charts. I do remember,sorta, the Bill Haley version, but it may have been seveal years later that I heard it. Also, Elvis recorded it, and I think he charted with it as well, maybe in 1956. Both Haley and Elvis used alternate lyrics, as the Big Joe Turner version was a bit risqué for audiences on the pop charts.

A good song, whatever the version, that pretty much started it all.

 

[majormajor]

Thanks James. I'm too young to remember the Joe Turner song. I believe the Bill Haley version came out shortly after Big Joe's version ran up the R&B charts. I do remember,sorta, the Bill Haley version, but it may have been seveal years later that I heard it. Also, Elvis recorded it, and I think he charted with it as well, maybe in 1956. Both Haley and Elvis used alternate lyrics, as the Big Joe Turner version was a bit risqué for audiences on the pop charts.

A good song, whatever the version, that pretty much started it all.

An interesting fact about the Turner recording is that two of the backing voices are none other than Jerry Wexler and Ahmet Ertegun!

Turner opens the song with "Get Outa That Bed", which became "Get Outa That Kitchen" in Haley's version

 

[jamespowers]

Thanks James. I'm too young to remember the Joe Turner song. I believe the Bill Haley version came out shortly after Big Joe's version ran up the R&B charts. I do remember,sorta, the Bill Haley version, but it may have been seveal years later that I heard it. Also, Elvis recorded it, and I think he charted with it as well, maybe in 1956. Both Haley and Elvis used alternate lyrics, as the Big Joe Turner version was a bit risqué for audiences on the pop charts.

A good song, whatever the version, that pretty much started it all.

Bill Haley's version was more of a riff and call version. You can get away with less lyrics that way.

Sort of a toned down version by Bill:
[video=youtube_share;qtPNZXpedyI]http://youtu.be/qtPNZXpedyI[/video]

Supposed this is from one of the movies he made down in Mexico between 1960-1966. Someone said this is what is called the Twist version.

 

[jamespowers]

Old Elvis version:
[video=youtube_share;RwWXGCSwThQ]http://youtu.be/RwWXGCSwThQ[/video]

 

[majormajor]

Bill Haley's version was more of a riff and call version. You can get away with less lyrics that way.

Sort of a toned down version by Bill:
[video=youtube_share;qtPNZXpedyI]http://youtu.be/qtPNZXpedyI[/video]

Supposed this is from one of the movies he made down in Mexico between 1960-1966. Someone said this is what is called the Twist version.

"Jovenes y Rebeldes" was made in 1961, although the Bill Haley clip is thought to have been made up to a year earlier. Sounds like they'd been listening to Chuck Berry before they recorded this version!

[video=youtube;gsp4VCbVvn4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsp4VCbVvn4[/video]

 

[majormajor]

Another good "live" clip. Here's Jackie Wilson from 1958, demonstrating his dancing prowess....

[video=youtube;rhFkg3HZ5XU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhFkg3HZ5XU[/video]

 

[jamespowers]

Another good "live" clip. Here's Jackie Wilson from 1958, demonstrating his dancing prowess....

[video=youtube;rhFkg3HZ5XU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhFkg3HZ5XU[/video]

The confined him to one step on Bandstand---almost.
[video=youtube;2nEfuE8Pw4U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2nEfuE8Pw4U#t=46s[/video]

 

[Peacoat]

Jackie Wilson: one of the most electrifying performers of our time. In the video it is obvious where later performers got the ideas for their moves. He does the reverse moonwalk (moving forward) and almost does the moonwalk. But it hadn't been invented yet, so he didn't know how far to take it.

In 1975 Jackie had a heart attack on stage while singing Lonely Teardrops. He survived, but because of lack of oxygen to the brain, he went into a comma. Stayed in a comma for 9 years, until his death in 1984. I believe these dates are correct, if not, they are close. Of course, at his death, there was little to no money in his estate. He was buried in an unmarked grave.

I found out about this unmarked grave business while doing a blues show with Bill "Hossman" Allen on WLAC radio in the late 80s or early 90s. After word got out amongst the DJs, who put the word out to their audiences, the grave didn't stay unmarked for long. There was enough money raised in a few short weeks to purchase a nice stone for Jackie's grave. The organizers had to wait until Spring for the ground to thaw, however, before it was placed. There was a ceremony when the grave was finally marked. If memory serves me, Hossman went up there for the service.

Jackie is buried in the Detroit (his hometown) area. The name of the town escapes me, but it is just to the west of Inkster, which is west of Detroit.

I don't remember the exact sequence of events, but Jackie was inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame in 1987, I believe. I always thought it sad that one our greatest performers, and a man of his achievements, was in an unmarked grave at the time of his induction. Well, thanks to people who cared, such as Bill "Hoss" Allen, and others in the music industry, Jackie now has a headstone to mark his final resting place.

 

[jamespowers]

Jackie Wilson: one of the most electrifying performers of our time. In the video it is obvious where later performers got the ideas for their moves. He does the reverse moonwalk (moving forward) and almost does the moonwalk. But it hadn't been invented yet, so he didn't know how far to take it.

In 1975 Jackie had a heart attack on stage while singing Lonely Teardrops. He survived, but because of lack of oxygen to the brain, he went into a comma. Stayed in a comma for 9 years, until his death in 1984. I believe these dates are correct, if not, they are close. Of course, at his death, there was little to no money in his estate. He was buried in an unmarked grave.

I found out about this unmarked grave business while doing a blues show with Bill "Hossman" Allen on WLAC radio in the late 80s or early 90s. After word got out amongst the DJs, who put the word out to their audiences, the grave didn't stay unmarked for long. There was enough money raised in a few short weeks to purchase a nice stone for Jackie's grave. The organizers had to wait until Spring for the ground to thaw, however, before it was placed. There was a ceremony when the grave was finally marked. If memory serves me, Hossman went up there for the service.

Jackie is buried in the Detroit (his hometown) area. The name of the town escapes me, but it is just to the west of Inkster, which is west of Detroit.

I don't remember the exact sequence of events, but Jackie was inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame in 1987, I believe. I always thought it sad that one our greatest performers, and a man of his achievements, was in an unmarked grave at the time of his induction. Well, thanks to people who cared, such as Bill "Hoss" Allen, and others in the music industry, Jackie now has a headstone to mark his final resting place.

Wow! I didn't know that. What a shame! Well, at least he has some vindication now.

 

[Peacoat]

Wow! I didn't know that. What a shame! Well, at least he has some vindication now.

Most people, even his fans, didn't know that. Another thing people don't know, and Hossman told me this, Dick Clark paid his medical/hospital bills when he had the heart attack. That was probably a pretty good chunk of change.

Yes, he has some vindication now: he is in the R&R Hall of Fame, and just as important to me, his grave is no longer unmarked.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

OK OK..I apologise for sticking this in here..
...but I couldn't hep it..main..

[video=youtube;VV8wSZXlD3U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV8wSZXlD3U[/video]

 

[jamespowers]

Most people, even his fans, didn't know that. Another thing people don't know, and Hossman told me this, Dick Clark paid his medical/hospital bills when he had the heart attack. That was probably a pretty good chunk of change.

Yes, he has some vindication now: he is in the R&R Hall of Fame, and just as important to me, his grave is no longer unmarked.

Dick Clark did plenty of good things nobody knows about. He didn't advertise and that is what I like about him.

 

[majormajor]

Hi PC

A great (and moving) story about Jackie Wilson.

A similar story can be told about Darrell Banks, who came to prominence with his million seller "Open The Door To Your Heart" in 1966. Just four years later, he was shot to death by an off duty policeman during an argument about a lady friend.

In 2003, a number of Darrell's fans from England, Ohio and NYC came on a pilgrimage to visit his grave in Detroit. When they got there, the grave could not be found, but after some searching, the grave, with only a number to mark it, was located.

A plan to raise money for a proper stone was put together, and in in 2004, thanks to donors from Australia, Finland, Scotland, England and the United States, the stone was laid on Darrell's grave.

And here is his most famous tune, one of my all-time faves:

[video=youtube;zWlPIAxDAA0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWlPIAxDAA0[/video]

 

[Peacoat]

Dick Clark did plenty of good things nobody knows about. He didn't advertise and that is what I like about him.

Yep, he often worked quietly behind the scene to get things done, and never did it for the credit.

 

[Peacoat]

Hi PC

A great (and moving) story about Jackie Wilson.

A similar story can be told about Darrell Banks, who came to prominence with his million seller "Open The Door To Your Heart" in 1966. Just four years later, he was shot to death by an off duty policeman during an argument about a lady friend.

In 2003, a number of Darrell's fans from England, Ohio and NYC came on a pilgrimage to visit his grave in Detroit. When they got there, the grave could not be found, but after some searching, the grave, with only a number to mark it, was located.

A plan to raise money for a proper stone was put together, and in in 2004, thanks to donors from Australia, Finland, Scotland, England and the United States, the stone was laid on Darrell's grave.

Yes, very similar stories. I had things other than music dominating my life in 1966 and 1967. As a result, I'm not familiar with Darrell Banks. I do like his music, though. Thanks for posting.

I found a picture of Jackie's stone that was purchased with the donations. The words in the center at the bottom, that are just barely visible, are "No More Lonely Teardrops."

 

[Peacoat]

OK OK..I apologise for sticking this in here..
...but I couldn't hep it..main..

Yea, I know, the devil made you do it.

Jeff Beck is a real talent, and Beth Hart can definitely belt 'em out. She sure doesn't look like she sings.

 

[majormajor]

A bit of UK blues history. This was John Lee Hooker's very first UK single. Came out on Vogue (78rpm) in 1952. It had taken three years to get here, having been released in the US on Modern in March, 1949... and according to the label, it would have set you back 79 cents....

[video=youtube;F8ji8YfLPcQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8ji8YfLPcQ&feature=youtu.be[/video]

 

[majormajor]

Something nice from the late, and certainly great, Koko Taylor....

[video=youtube;QLoXPM5zMOE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLoXPM5zMOE[/video]

 

[majormajor]

An instrumental from 1961.

Rereleased in the UK in 1966, just in time for it to become a Mod anthem.....

[video=youtube;kH6uGCN_U_Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH6uGCN_U_Y[/video]

 

[Peacoat]

Major: Is the version you posted the original version released in the US? Seems a bit different to me. Also the length of the version you posted is 4:15, which is longer than the maximum length for airplay in the US at the time. All songs, in order to get airplay, needed to be no longer than 2:30 to 2:45. Three minutes was pushing it. Sometimes known in songwriter circles as the Three Minute Story. You got no more than three minutes to tell your story.

As an aside (yes, there is always an aside), the shortest hit of the R&R era was Stay (please, please stay), by Maurice Williams and the Famous Zodiacs. It clocks in at 1:31, as I remember.