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Thunderball

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I got one of those Hats Plus ORs too. I flipped the sweatband and it's dated 2002, so your hat may have drawn up a bit in storage if it's of the same vintage as mine. I checked all the Biltmore catalogs on their website and I don't see the Wilderness Collection OR after 2006.

What did you see when you flipped the sweatband that indicated the date? I did not find anything?
 

rlk

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Hückel Standard

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Not a velour. Might be quite old. D'Orsay curl with stitched over welt brim and tapered crown of moderate height. Age deterioration of fabric portions. Not sure if address is Karlsbad, Germany or Czech(Carlovy Vary/Karlsbad). Better images soon.
 
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Robert, Happy to see it arrived safely! I think your right about it being quite old. It has a great form! Looking forward to more details (hoping it has a paper label). My guess would be Karlsbad / Carlovy Vary.
 
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rlk

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Robert, Happy to see it arrived safely! I think your right about it being quite old. It has a great form! Looking forward to more details (hoping it has a paper label). My guess would be Karlsbad / Carlovy Vary.

Thanks Steve. No mention of Czecho Slovakia or Germany so perhaps a pre WW1 Hat, when it was part of Austria-Hungary?
 
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Robert, I think you might be correct (see below). The style would definitely fit that time period. I am not sure how far back that format paper label goes.

I have a 30s JHS Melone that has Czech Plzeň instead of the German Pilsen which would fit that time period. If it was pre WWI I would expect Pilsen similar to the use of Karlsbad on your hat.

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It has more in common with my old JHS Flexible Melone.

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Chepstow

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The First World War marked a significant turning point for the cure. When the war broke the monarchy. From crown lands Cisleithanian Bohemia, Moravia, Austrian Silesia and the north of Hungary, Czechoslovakia was constituted. The Treaty of Saint-Germain confirmed the association of German Bohemia and Czechoslovakia. The demonstration of 4 Ended in March 1919 for the self-determination and against membership of Czechoslovakia in Carlsbad without bloodshed. Later, however, the resolution of a demonstration six demonstrators were killed by the army.

After the Munich Agreement Carlsbad was incorporated into the German Reich. On 1 May 1939, the town of the same district dissolved and formed henceforth a separate county, augmented by incorporation of places Aich, Drahowitz, Espenthor, fishermen Kohlhau, Maierhöfen, Pirkenhammer and Weheditz. Carlsbad is also the administrative seat of the district of Eger.
 
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Manfred, Thanks! I actually have some JHS hats from the 1939 - 1941 time period. The ones that have paper labels have "Made in Germany".

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It appears the hats that were exported had "Made In ..." labels. The "Made in Germany" one I posted was from a Bulgarian source. By the way looking forward to more photos of the JHS Sigma!
 

mikespens

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That's why I mostly stay home Ed! Don't want to get out-lidded. I guess vintage lids are a convenient cop-out to modern fashion. I'll take it.
 

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