Porkpie vs telescopic?

[Yohanes]

What is the difference between porkpie and hat with telescopic crown?

 

[barrowjh]

Might just be the overall look - a telescopic crown typically refers to a wide-brim western style hat with a relatively 'tall' telescopic crown, but the porkpie is a short, squat telescopic crown with a fedora brim. Typically, porkpie hats have the shortest height crown of all hats offered by a manufacturer, so maybe crown height is the key difference. Maybe a genuine hatter will enlighten us!

 

[johnnycanuck]

Porkpie - is a style of hat. A round, low, telescopic crown, with a snap brim. The brim usually shorter then 2.5" (rough number) http://www.villagehatshop.com/vhs_jaxon_monk.html

Telescopic - is a hat bash style. It does not necessarily have to be round.
Akubra Snowy river is telescopic and not round, http://www.hatsdirect.com/cgi/products.cgi?view=7&returncat=Akubra+Hats&returnpage=0
Where the Down Under is round but not short. http://www.davidmorgan.com/product_info.php?products_id=84
Then you have a pre-bashed squatter that looks like a porkpie. The crown is low, the brim has a snap. But the brim is to big. so it does not look like a porkpie. http://www.everythingaustralian.com.au/shopexd.asp?id=20

Hope that helps.

Johnny

Johnny

 

[AlanC]

So would a standard c-crown be considered telescoping?

 

[Havana]

I think the use of these terms vary widely depending on one's location. Here in America, a pork pie always referred to a complete hat and not just the crease of the crown. Telescopic crowns were usually taller and not dented on the sides or front. The use of these terms seem to vary in other countries. For example, Strand Hatters of Australia refer to a C-Crown as a semi-pork pie crown. I've also heard C-Crowns referred to as pinched telescopes. Telescoping really just refers to how the crease is put in the hat. The crown is literally rolled in on itself creating a depressed cavity on top of the crown. A hump is usually added in the center of that cavity to allow space for the top of the head. Leave it and you've got a telescopic crown. Pinch it and dent it and you've got a C-crown.

 

[barrowjh]

That's an interesting point - I suspect that 'bashes' developed from the way hats looked as men picked them up by the crown repeatedly and by default shaped them. So, a c-crown or teardrop maybe developed from a tightly pinched telescope crown? The center-dent from similar mis-treatment of a traditional center creased fedora, with the exception that it was not piched to the point of closing the center crease? this is totally speculation--

 

[duggap]

Interesting discussion, please keep going.:eusa_clap

 

[J.T.Marcus]

There was a time when every hat wearer had to crease his own hat. Eventually, common treatments were given names that everyone agreed on. (That's how languages evolve.) There are probably as many forgotten creases as the ones we now have names for, simply because they did not become popular enough to be named.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

There was a time when every hat wearer had to crease his own hat. Eventually, common treatments were given names that everyone agreed on. (That's how languages evolve.) There are probably as many forgotten creases as the ones we now have names for, simply because they did not become popular enough to be named.

you made me just think of a book about cowboy hats that i looked at as a kid (well, i stil lam a kid to some...) that towards the front had a page with literally had two dozen different bashes in it.
now i am going to have to search for it...

 

[BlackBrim]

Porkpie - is a style of hat. A round, low, telescopic crown, with a snap brim. The brim usually shorter then 2.5

Is the Dobbs Bourbon Street considered a porkpie?

 

[Dewhurst]

There was a time when every hat wearer had to crease his own hat.

When was this? Pre-Industrial Revolution?

What is the difference between porkpie and hat with telescopic crown?

The difference is typically this: "Pork pie" refers to a profile or set of characteristics that, when present together, allow the description of a hat as a "Pork pie". A "telescopic crown" refers to a certain crown shape that may be applied to any hat with a pliable crown.

 

[feltfan]

There was a time when every hat wearer had to crease his own hat.

When was this? Pre-Industrial Revolution?

I think it was never. Hat blocks have been with us for a very long time.
However, back when the average quality of felt was better (that is, not
crap wool or plastic), it was more practical to form one's own hat.
And re-form it over and over again. So more hats were made with that
treatment in mind. Culturally there was more incentive to personalize
one's hat. After all, just wearing one at all these days is a statement,
whether we like it or not.

The difference is typically this: "Pork pie" refers to a profile or set of characteristics that, when present together, allow the description of a hat as a "Pork pie". A "telescopic crown" refers to a certain crown shape that may be applied to any hat with a pliable crown.

I suggest that a pork pie requires a block due to the tight gap between
the center dome and the sides of the crown, where a telescopic crown
can be done by hand (though the only ones I have were blocked by
Vintage Silhouettes and Optimo).

 

[J.T.Marcus]

There was a time when every hat wearer had to crease his own hat. Eventually, common treatments were given names that everyone agreed on. (That's how languages evolve.) There are probably as many forgotten creases as the ones we now have names for, simply because they did not become popular enough to be named.

When was this? Pre-Industrial Revolution?

Up through about 1955. lol

 

[feltfan]

When was this? Pre-Industrial Revolution?

Up through about 1955. lol

Proof please.
This site is full of blocked hats, with or without further alteration
from those decades. Sometimes they were stored with the crowns
pushed out, I suppose, but in my experience most of those return
to a block when pushed around.