Picked up a couple of interesting jackets from Spain and Italy this past wknd...

[Navin323i]

So every weekend I take my older daughter for her swim class in an indoor facility and right next door is an upscale thrift store that usually has some interesting stuff including all clothing, toys, books, houseware, etc.

I found a couple of interesting jackets at that thrift store... one from Spain and the other from Italy. Below are the pics...

Jacket #1 (Spain) - Cuorduroy Pea Coat Style Jacket - Size 46

Has anyone heard of this brand (The Union)?

I LOVE the inside lining on this jacket... cross between dark blood red and black. Wish I could find a leather jacket this color.

Hmm... I wonder if the previous jacket owner whose last name is Richards according to the green stitching is related to our forum's Andy Richards.

Fits me perfectly!

 

[Navin323i]

Jacket #2 (Italy) - Leather bomber style jacket - Size 42
Feels a tiny bit snug compared to the normal sized leather jackets I wear so I'll give this to my father as a gift to him.
He needs a nice leather jacket.

Has anyone here heard of this jacket brand (Parri's)?

Thanks for looking.

 

[Papa M]

I'll give this to my father as a gift to him
....

Yeah - get rid pronto! Nasty waistband!

Hope your Dad likes it. I never gave my Dad a leather jacket. I took an old Cossack jacket off him in the sixties. It was his father's gardening jacket. I sure wish I had it now!

 

[Navin323i]

Yeah - get rid pronto! Nasty waistband!

Hope your Dad likes it. I never gave my Dad a leather jacket. I took an old Cossack jacket off him in the sixties. It was his father's gardening jacket. I sure wish I had it now!

Haha! I appreciate the honest feedback about the waistband... I just better not let my dad see your post otherwise he'll throw the jacket back in my face, LOL.

I had my dad try on the jacket before he left for India (his 89 year old eldest living brother is on the verge of passing on) and he seemed to like the jacket. The leather quality feels great and since he's shorter and a lot skinnier than me, the waistband isn't as pronounced on him as it is on me.

Have a good day, Papa.

Navin

 

[1087]

Both jackets looks great Navin!
I don't know the brands, but both jackets are in good condition!
I have a 25 years old bomber jacket like that with a great patina that I really love it!
Great score my Friend!

 

[Navin323i]

Both jackets looks great Navin!
I don't know the brands, but both jackets are in good condition!
I have a 25 years old bomber jacket like that with a great patina that I really love it!
Great score my Friend!

Thank you so much, Carlos! Hope you've been doing well, bro.

 

[Navin323i]

Gents... am I correct in my assumption that the Spain jacket is a cuorduroy pea coat or is it simply a cuorduroy double breasted coat? I'm uncertain what the criteria is for a coat to be classified as a "pea coat", but either way I'm happy with the jacket and love the golden brown color of it.

 

[andy richards]

Both jackets fits you very well, Navin!
Congratulations with these two great finds .
Andy

 

[Italian-wiseguy]

Gents... am I correct in my assumption that the Spain jacket is a cuorduroy pea coat or is it simply a cuorduroy double breasted coat? I'm uncertain what the criteria is for a coat to be classified as a "pea coat", but either way I'm happy with the jacket and love the golden brown color of it.

I'm quite of puzzled with english language classification, too; I believe that a some degree of ambiguity can not be avoided even in the most "Linnean" approach;
anyway, in Italy, a peacoat is simply... a coat ("cappotto"; but the world for "coat" in the sense of "coat and tie" is however "giacca" which means.. jacket);
or more precisely a peacoat in italian is a "sailor coat" ("cappotto da marinaio") or in the neapolitan sartorial lingo a "cappottella"; so...

I'd say your spanish coat is corduroy peacoat, why not?
I like it very much, call it what you want

Ciao!!

 

[Navin323i]

Both jackets fits you very well, Navin!
Congratulations with these two great finds .
Andy

Thanks Andy! Hope you've been doing well, bro.

 

[Navin323i]

I'm quite of puzzled with english language classification, too; I believe that a some degree of ambiguity can not be avoided even in the most "Linnean" approach;
anyway, in Italy, a peacoat is simply... a coat ("cappotto"; but the world for "coat" in the sense of "coat and tie" is however "giacca" which means.. jacket);
or more precisely a peacoat in italian is a "sailor coat" ("cappotto da marinaio") or in the neapolitan sartorial lingo a "cappottella"; so...

I'd say your spanish coat is corduroy peacoat, why not?
I like it very much, call it what you want

Ciao!!

Ciao, my friend!

Great points you made... you are right, I can call it what I want, but I'm still curious what the criteria is for a jacket to be considered a peacoat.

Have you heard of the Italian brand, Parri's? I've never heard of it myself.

Navin

 

[JanSolo]

The term Peacoat only applies to naval double breasted coats made of wool. "Pea" stands for the letter "P" as an abbreviation for pilot (here: navigator or captain of a ship/vessel)

Here's Wikipedia's definition which truly makes sense:

The standard for historical pea coats was 30 oz. wool, most often made of heavy Melton Cloth through the 1970's in the U.S. Navy. Presently coats are made from 22-32 oz. wool. While pea coats are offered in many colors by retailers, the U.S. Navy-issue pea coat is always dark blue or black.

The term "pea coat" originated from the Dutch or West Frisian word pijjekker (edit: jekker means jacke in German and jacket or coat in English), in which pij referred to the type of cloth used, which was called "Pilot cloth", a coarse kind of twilled blue cloth with a nap on one side. The cloth was sometimes called P-cloth for the initial letter of the word and the garment made from it was called a p-jacket - later a pea coat.


BTW: Please pass that jacket with the elasticized leather waistband on to your father...

 

[Navin323i]

The term Peacoat only applies to naval double breasted coats made of wool. "Pea" stands for the letter "P" as an abbreviation for pilot (here: navigator or captain of a ship/vessel)

Here's Wikipedia's definition which truly makes sense:

The standard for historical pea coats was 30 oz. wool, most often made of heavy Melton Cloth through the 1970's in the U.S. Navy. Presently coats are made from 22-32 oz. wool. While pea coats are offered in many colors by retailers, the U.S. Navy-issue pea coat is always dark blue or black.

The term "pea coat" originated from the Dutch or West Frisian word pijjekker (edit: jekker means jacke in German and jacket or coat in English), in which pij referred to the type of cloth used, which was called "Pilot cloth", a coarse kind of twilled blue cloth with a nap on one side. The cloth was sometimes called P-cloth for the initial letter of the word and the garment made from it was called a p-jacket - later a pea coat.


BTW: Please pass that jacket with the elasticized leather waistband on to your father...

Haha!!! I shall humbly obey your request to pass that jacket onto my dad, mein freund.

Thanks for the good info you provided me... I never realized that the peacoat can trace its roots linguistically back to the Netherlands... very cool.

 

[andy richards]

You are quite right, Jan.
A "Pijjekker" is a short naval overcoat worn by (enlisted) men with less than 6 years of service in the old days...
The word consists of two words actually: "pij" , what Jan just explained and the word "jekker" whichs means "short overcoat".
Also the (Dutch) word "jekker" is still a widely and daily used word for almost every short duty- or work-overcoat.
In the Koninklijke Marine (Royal Dutch Navy) the "Pijjekker" is still an official garment, however not seen on operational ships anymore, where a two-piece battle dress is worn nowadays... But we're getting fftopic: with this....
Andy

 

[Navin323i]

You are quite right, Jan.
A "Pijjekker" is a short naval overcoat worn by (enlisted) men with less than 6 years of service in the old days...
The word consists of two words actually: "pij" , what Jan just explained and the word "jekker" whichs means "short overcoat".
Also the (Dutch) word "jekker" is still a widely and daily used word for almost every short duty- or work-overcoat.
In the Koninklijke Marine (Royal Dutch Navy) the "Pijjekker" is still an official garment, however not seen on operational ships anymore, where a two-piece battle dress is worn nowadays... But we're getting fftopic: with this....
Andy

No, no... you and Jan are still on topic... I did ask the question afterall what constitutes a peacoat, so you both answered my question.

Forget me calling my new cuorduroy coat a peacoat... from now on I'll tell people I have a cuorduroy Pijjekker and their look of confusion as to what I just said will be hilarious to say the least. lol

 

[Italian-wiseguy]

In the Koninklijke Marine (Royal Dutch Navy) the "Pijjekker" is still an official garment, however not seen on operational ships anymore, where a two-piece battle dress is worn nowadays... But we're getting fftopic: with this....
Andy

As far as I know, peacoats are still issued by Marina Militare (Italian Navy) to sailors and NCOs
(italian version has golden buttons).
Obviously personnel wears more practical garments while working on ships .

Anyway, to say a "cappotto da marinaio" as we say here ("sailors' coat") doesn't strictly imply a military issued one, but simply a short, mostly double breasted overcoat as traditionally used by sailors;

so I guess the term encompasses and allows a certain variety of materials and styles, corduroy included

Ciao!!

 

[Peacoat]

It's not a peacoat. It's a corduroy coat styled after a peacoat.

Careful what you call a peacoat; the peacoat police are active these days. I saw one yesterday.

I have noticed that elasticized waist band on police jackets and motorcycle jackets over the last few years. I think my German Polizei jacket has the elastic waist band, as well as one of my motorcycle jackets. They are practical for that type of jacket, but not particularly appealing.

Mr. Peacoat

 

[Italian-wiseguy]

Well, I'm not sure I understood your definition:

what exactly constitutes a peacoat then?
I don't think it has to be military issue, as there are "civilian" models that you still call peacoats;

nor it has to adhere to a particular military style, has every Navy seems to have her own (not to mention variants and modifications during the years);

well, there was an era in which also civilian salilors wore peacoats, so I guess they weren't too specific in what they bought, so...

still kind of puzzled.

Ciao!

 

[Peacoat]

Jan pretty much nailed the definition it in his post above.

In discussing obscenity, one of our Supreme Court Justices, I believe it was Justice Potter Stewart, said he might not be able to exactly define the term, "But I know it when I see it."

So, for anyone interested in seeing examples of peacoats, please refer to this link: http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=37699

Examples of all known peacoats for the past 100+= years are shown in that article. If it isn't there, it isn't a peacoat. Other countries may have navy peacoats that differ a bit in styling or construction, but They will be basically the same.

There are many coats and jackets styled after peacoats, but they are peacoat influenced civilian fashion jackets and coats, and not peacoats, which brings me back to my original thesis.

 

[Tomasso]

I like the look of the corduroy coat but I just know that those side/twin vents would give me a shiver on cold and windy days. I would have a tailor add a couple buttons to each side to convert to ventless for such days.