Patton assasinated?

[Miss 1929]

So says this new book:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3869117/General-George-S.-Patton-was-assassinated-to-silence-his-criticism-of-allied-war-leaders-claims-new-book.html

 

[Mike in Seattle]

Another book? There've been a few - in fact, there's one or two movies using that as a premise. Patton was ambushed and killed and for morale purposes, it was reported as an auto accident.

 

[HarpPlayerGene]

Hmmmm, could be I guess.

They got to him a bit late though if it's true.

 

[anon`]

My grandfather served in the 65th Infantry and at one point during the war met Patton personally. He (by grandfather) lived the remainder of his life believing that the Allies were responsible for orchestrating Patton's death. Excellent fodder for the conspiracy theorists, and certainly not a new idea. Interestingly, this theory shares quite a few aspects with the death of Erwin Rommel, but I digress.

I imagine that I'll be taking a look at this book soon indeed!

 

[DutchIndo]

Yes it was alluded to in the movie "Patton". I think the powers to be were nervous because of his stance on the Russians. One has to remember there was a vestige of the Old Army back then. I read a story once where an American Officer was told to shoot himself. This Officer ran when his troops were overrun at the Kassarine Pass. He refused so he was assasinated. It was made to look like he was killed by hostile fire. I believe this story was in "Unrepentant Sinner" by Col. Askins I think.

 

[Chas]

Assassinated? I strongly doubt it. Even great men die in mundane, unheroic ways. Lawrence of Arabia died pretty much the same way.

 

[Lone_Ranger]

Assassinated? I strongly doubt it. Even great men die in mundane, unheroic ways. Lawrence of Arabia died pretty much the same way.

Only in poems does the knight die in the last battle, of the last war. The only thing wrong with the assassination theory is that, we would have to believe that, the men who had a problem with Patton, for not playing by the "rules," would themselves throw away the rule book, and order him killed.

Or, maybe he's not really dead?

So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

And I see not in my blindness
What the objects were I wrought,
But as God rules o'er our bickerings
It was through His will I fought.

So forever in the future,
Shall I battle as of yore,
Dying to be born a fighter,
But to die again, once more.

~ George S. Patton

 

[Imahomer]

Huh........ I guess I need to check this out.

 

[bonnieprince]

I was listening to the radio the other day about an interview with an old OSS agent on his death bed. He says he was ordered to assassinate Patton because they were worried about him invading Russia without authorization. The agent was a well respected man and had no reason to make up the story. Either he went senile, or he was telling the truth.

 

[52Styleline]

I was listening to the radio the other day about an interview with an old OSS agent on his death bed. He says he was ordered to assassinate Patton because they were worried about him invading Russia without authorization. The agent was a well respected man and had no reason to make up the story. Either he went senile, or he was telling the truth.

Was that the fellow who said Patton was assasinated by a bolt (as in nut and bolt) shot from an air powered rifle?

 

[bonnieprince]

Douglas Bazata was his name and he claims to have been paid $10,000 to make it look like a car accident. When Patton survived the car accident, he claims to have used a poison that looks like an embolism. I googled his name, and tons of info popped up on the man.

 

[KL15]

I'm sure Gen. Patton was a political nightmare for Gen. Eisenhower and Gen. Marshall. So I suppose there is a motive there for assasination. I find it intriuging that the two men in leadership positions that were called a myriad of names turned out to be right. Being Winston Churchill and Gen. George Patton because neither of them trusted the Soviet Union. And with good reason.

 

[Chas]

I also recall that Eisenhower was the Prez that warned the American public of the looming militarist state that was taking over. He was a man of considerable dignity, courage and tact. I strongly doubt that if Patton was taken out, that he had any knowledge or complicity in such an act.

It's sad that American foreign policy took a seriously sinister turn on Ike's watch.

 

[Baron Kurtz]

Assassinated? I strongly doubt it. Even great men die in mundane, unheroic ways. Lawrence of Arabia died pretty much the same way.

Ahaaaa. You see! Conspiracies abound. Maybe the same people killed Patton as arranged Lawrence's death …


spooky. cue twilight zone music …


bk

 

[cookie]

Interesting comment about the two best generals of WWII both dying in mysterious circumstances...

 

[bonnieprince]

I also recall that Eisenhower was the Prez that warned the American public of the looming militarist state that was taking over. He was a man of considerable dignity, courage and tact. I strongly doubt that if Patton was taken out, that he had any knowledge or complicity in such an act.

It's sad that American foreign policy took a seriously sinister turn on Ike's watch.

I see you don't recall the more than dishonorable act Eisenhower performed when he helped Great Britain overthrow the democratically elected Mohammed Mosaddeq adminstration and replace him with the Shah of Iran in a Coup d' Etat because Mosaddeq had the "gall" to nationalize Iranian oil and kick BP out. God forbid the Iranian people should be making money from the sale of Iranian oil instead of BP. Even Truman, with his imperfections, decided against this before Eisenhower OK'd it once he was President. This and many other reasons have contributed Arab hatred of America over the years.

 

[Imahomer]

I was listening to the radio the other day about an interview with an old OSS agent on his death bed. He says he was ordered to assassinate Patton because they were worried about him invading Russia without authorization. The agent was a well respected man and had no reason to make up the story. Either he went senile, or he was telling the truth.

Those are the only two possibilities?

 

[dr greg]

Various Darius

I see you don't recall the more than dishonorable act Eisenhower performed when he helped Great Britain overthrow the democratically elected Mohammed Mosaddeq adminstration and replace him with the Shah of Iran in a Coup d' Etat because Mosaddeq had the "gall" to nationalize Iranian oil and kick BP out. God forbid the Iranian people should be making money from the sale of Iranian oil instead of BP. Even Truman, with his imperfections, decided against this before Eisenhower OK'd it once he was President. This and many other reasons have contributed Arab hatred of America over the years.

I hate to be a pedant, but Iranians most definitely aren't Arabs, and any Farsi speaker would be outraged to be addressed as such, they don't get on at all, vis-a-vis the first Gulf War, in which about a million were killed, America backed Saddam in that one as I recall, but that was then.....generalisations aside, your basic point could be taken that the US doesn't seem to have acted with a lot of foresight in the region over the years. And then again, wasn't IKE still in when the US put the strongarm on Britain and France to back off on their seizure of the Suez canal?
Realpolitik might be the word we're lookin for

 

[bonnieprince]

I hate to be a pedant, but Iranians most definitely aren't Arabs, and any Farsi speaker would be outraged to be addressed as such, they don't get on at all, vis-a-vis the first Gulf War, in which about a million were killed, America backed Saddam in that one as I recall, but that was then.....generalisations aside, your basic point could be taken that the US doesn't seem to have acted with a lot of foresight in the region over the years. And then again, wasn't IKE still in when the US put the strongarm on Britain and France to back off on their seizure of the Suez canal?
Realpolitik might be the word we're lookin for

Well, as long as you are going to be a pedant, you might as well call a spade a spade. Only half of Iranians are Persians speaking Farsi, which is updated Persian. Don't forget Azerbaijanis, Kurds, Arabs, Turkmen, Baluchis, Lors, Mazandarani, Gilaki, and the Assyrian underclass in Iran that speaks modern Aramaic and Farsi, Turkic, Kurdish, Luri, Balochi, Arabic, and Turkish and more. Even this is simplistic. There are also small populations of Jews and Christians of varying ethnicity. The Assyrians in particular are considered gypsies by the Persian Iranians and treated like third class citizens. This is due to their primarily Christian beliefs and other ancient differences going back thousands of years since the Assyrian empire collapsed. Assyrians also live in Iraq, Turkey, California, New York and many other countries and U.S. states since they have spread out all over the world. One of my friends is Assyrian and he spent 20 years in the US military, but grew up in Iran. Their Christian masses/ceremonies are quite interesting as Aramaic is still spoken, albeit a more modern version. He mentioned how he was terrified as a kid because the Muslims would walk around swinging chains and threaten his family. He couldn't wait to come over here and be treated like a human being.

Interesting to note, I met the Chief Curator for the National Museum of Iraq a few years ago at one of the Assyrian masses in New York. He told me that the Assyrian treasures in Iraq were never looted. They were hidden by Hussein to protect them from American bombs. He told me National Geographic put their own spin on the TV special about it for ratings, and that it was totally erroneous. The curator knew where the treasures were the whole time and went and rescued them from their underground storage as soon as it was safe enough. As an archaeologist by trade (although in the past now), I was ecstatic to meet the man. He currently crusades around the world for Assyrian rights in the Middle East since nobody cares how badly they are treated.

In reference to my generalizations...I speak for the layman. 99% of people in this country could care less when I start to tell them about my Assyrian friend and his people's struggle. Americans think all people in the Middle East are Arabic and all Muslim. I just stopped bothering since nobody listens. I am sure you regularly deal with the same sentiment. In fact, when I say Assyrian, everybody thinks I am saying Syrian. I always end up explaining who the Assyrians are and who they used to be. Then I usually get this remark, "thanks for the history lesson pal". I ultimately gave up.

In reference to my assertions on American meddling in the Middle East...We have caused all of our problems with our Middle Eastern brethren. The term used to describe this predicament is blowback. If we kept our nose out of that region over the last 50 years, there would not be so much venom against the U.S. in particular. There is a mountain of information written on the topic, but I am not about to start transcribing thousands of pages. The internet and the local library have all of the reference material you need. How many times do we have to pick one side in a war only to end up fighting that same country later on? The worst part is that thousands of our troops are killed by ammunition we sold to the present enemy in the past. It's terribly embarrassing to say the least. I've said enough. I'll leave it to you to find out the rest.

 

[scotrace]

Poor Patton.

That's enough for now.